D_K i didnt deny that some women wear hijab by force for many reasons, force of the law as in Saudi Arabia, force of family or whatever
First post was about if it is an order from ALLAH or not, and that is what i replied, Yes it ÃS an order from ALLAH written in Quran
We dont have any discussion about that...its in Quran and its enough
Ãf you obay or not, thats your choice as Muslims
The reasons why it was ordered thats another long discussion actually.
I want to disagree. I know many muslims who say it is not an order in Quran. So it all just depends on interpretation. I don´t know whether it says as an order or not, and since I don´t care to wear a headscarf, I never investigated it. You did, because you wanted to know, so your choice is all yours and I am not saying something about that. Im happy youre happy with it. Just saying that for some muslims it is not ´to obey or not to obey´ (Allahspeare 
), but it is a matter of ´not an order´ in their interpretation.
You see that when women wear hijab that indicates they are sex object that is your opinion of course, but strange that i havent seen any woman wearing hijab used at Media in ads as sex objects but i have seen many and many ads using women who dont wear hijab in ads in a disgusting way as sex object .
That would say women in hijab seen as sex objects ?
Yes. I am not saying that women without hijab ARENT sex-objects. You misunderstood my reasoning. Ofcourse a naked woman with a phonenumber for an erotic conversation is a sex-object (who cares as long as she isnt forced). For you it is disgusting. For me it isn´t (with certain criteria ofcourse). Yes, the whole idea of hiding women, makes them sex objects. Not explicitly in a sex-ads, but implicitly in the underlying notion of gender and sexuality.
Sry but i dont get it, mind you if i ask whom are we fooling ?!
Dont men look at women in a desirable way ?!
Do you want to say men at West look at women as their sisters or something ?!
Why is such high percentage of rape then if men dont see women there as sex objects ?!
You want to tell me men do look at women who wear tight clothes, and revealing ones same as they look at women who wear modest clothes ?!
No. You are overreacting. The reason rape is high in the West, is because our system of healthcare and police-help sucks. Any rapist knows that he won´t be punished because of lack of evidence, and if so, it wont be a long punishment. In Islamic countries, rape is punished severely and therefore crime is less. That is a BIG difference. That doesnt mean that your men arent jurking themselves off at home thinking of women! In the end it is all the same. Men are men anywhere, women are women anywhere. (though I am sure you have heard that in most cases the woman is murderedm in case of rape. Only in Marrocco this is different, but in most Levant-countries where Islamic law is important, the woman is murdered. Not because people think it was her fault. Just because killing a man will create a vendetta).
Now I understand your opinion but.. the way men look at women, it is sick, right? Let´s agree on that. Now why should a woman take medicines for a sick man? Instead of putting on a headscarf, the system should teach men not to look at women this way!
Ãm sorry, but i kind of not buying it !
Ãts not real too, statistics talk.
The idea behinde hijab that for women to wear modest clothes, and why women only wear it and not men, because women are more appealing than men....that is a fact
Compare percentage of rape made to women to those made to men !
That is NOT a fact. I think men are more appealing than women 
That is my reason not to be lesbian. Do you think rape from a woman to a man is less just because us women are less sexual or because men are less appealing than us? Look at how men and women approach sex in general and you might find your answer there.
Marwa Elshirbini was a woman who died for the reason that she refuse to take off her hijab, and she was in a western country so no system to force her to put it on, and she went through hell and she stood to her right without anyone forcing her to do so...
à know its kind of hard to you as Western to accept that the fact women actually want to wear it and instead you find it more closer to you that it was forced upon her..
Ãn some cases i agree its forced, but in many other cases and not only mine its our choice, because we choose to obay our God.
We accepted that religion, we believe in it, so we want to obay orders of ALLAH.
Dear CANLI, that is all nice and well. It is not that I find ´force´ standing closer to me than anyone like you who wants to wear it. Again you misunderstand: I HAVE NO PROBLEM with women who WANT to wear hijab out of their OWN thoughts and perspectives. That doesnt mean I am still against hijab in itself! I do believe there are many women who want to put it on. But in this perspective NONE of the woman in Iran and Saudi Arabia count. Because they cannot even CONSÃDER otherwise and are brought up with the idea ´they just have to´. Not to mention Afghanistan.
I don´t wear extravagant clothes, but certainly I don´t dress modestly either. I have never felt unsafe walking on the street, no matter what time! Never have I felt a dirty look. In a nightclub I have never been harrassed, and if someone offered me a drink and I said ´no thanks´, I was always left alone. But if I were to go on holiday in a country where women feel it is necessary to wear hijab, I would be scared! Because apparantly their men are so wild and horny, that it is unsafe to walk on the streets there normally. I would be scared!
I would like to put it this way (please forget that Hijab is Allah´s order for a moment. It is not about religion now, this is about common sense)
- A society where men wear whatever they like, and women have to wear hijab to feel safe
- A society where men are taught that they can look but not touch and that women dont have to wear hijab to feel safe and comfortable.
Which society would you prefer if covering was not a divine order? Ofcourse you would choose the second one. So instead of feeding the idea of women as sex objects, we should teach men and dress as we like.
