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Thread: What are you listening now?

341.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 11:20 pm

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Thread: Soap Opera "Noor" (Gümüş) changes traditional Arab Gender Roles

342.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 11:14 pm

 

Quoting abudy99

 unless - like some bad girls - she´s being immoral ,or insists to do bad things in public they will ask her to go to thier department with police man and let her sign in a piece of paper that she won´t never do it again and call her father , let him know about the case , and take her home .

 

 

Could you be more specific? What is being immoral, what is doing bad things in public? Bad girls? And why her father? If she is over 18 or maybe 21 and unmarried will they still call her father? Does her father own her or something?

 

I think I just felt offended So please explain yourself in more detail. Because what you just said above is a violation of equal human rights and simply sick.



Thread: Burqa

343.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 11:02 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

 Ã dont know why its much easier for you to serach for different reasons why muslim women wear hijab all over the world rather than accept our reason ´we muslim women´ ?!

 

 Actually you think through pink glasses here. The world is not as rosey as you see it! Muslim women have MANY different reasons to put on hijab and not all of them are as lucky as you are: you have the choice, and, more importantly, the brain to make a decent choice!

The reason I mentioned those ´highly educated women in Turkey´ that you were mentioning, was because I think that the situation of those wearing Türban, is very different from the things that were discussed here, so I thought you shoujld know the difference. Another reason is that I had a masterclass about this specific topic, so it happened to be something I researched about for unviersity, not just because I shut my eyes for it ´being a divine order´ and because I enjoy researching different reasons just to prove you wrong. Why is it so difficult for you to accept that not all women do it for allah like you do?

Women wear it every where at the world not just at some places so you can get a historical reason for that

Women wear it in German...in South Africa, in Australia, at Saudi Arabia, at Ýran, at Egypt, at Türkiye, even in China..etc

All those wear it would have a special reason for each country rather than the obvious one that we wear it because its an order from ALLAH ?!

Let me tell you a story from my highschool. To give you some idea on wearing headscarf in the Netherlands: two of my classmates were forced by their families to put on headscarf. One of the girls was Turkish, one of the girls was from Marocco. They came to school half an hour early everyday. In the toilets they took off their headscarf, made their hair and put on make up. They went home half an hour late everyday, cleaning their make up and putting back on their scarf. This is just a small example: 2 girls on a highschool in a very small town in the Netherlands where not that many foreigners live. I cannot even think about the bigger cities in the Netherlands, where there are more foreigners than Dutch people (though I consider them dutch as well ). And you are telling me that some women do not have a special reason in each country for wearing it? For you it is an order from Allah, for them it was an order from their family and they knew they would be beaten up by their brothers if they would ever take it off with their knowledge! For others its an order of their government (SA, Iran).

 

 

 

 



Edited (7/17/2009) by Deli_kizin



Thread: Burqa

344.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 10:52 pm

Look CANLI, I perfectly believe that there are women like you who wear any kind of cover because they

1) believe in the reasons behind it

2) don´t necessarily believe in reasons behind it but just do it because it is an order.

 

And yes, since anyone should have the right to choose their own clothing there is nothing wrong with it. But let me try to explain what my problem is with burqa. It reduces women to a sexual object and an a-sexual object at the same time:

 

1) Sexual object: she must hide her physical features (hips, breasts, hair etc) so that men will not be attracted to her. This implies that women are viewed by men simply as sexual objects (whether that sexuality comes from the emotions of the female or the male in that point of view, doesnt really matter. it might well be that they think all women try to seduce men by their bodies on purpose instead of thinking that seeing a little boob gives any man a hard-on)

, because if they were just ´human beings like men´, they wouldn´t need protection. Shortly said: by putting a woman in an hijab, you recognize that any man around her, might see her as something sexual and may act accordingly if she wasn´t hidden away.

2) a-sexual object: the fact that it is only women who need to protect themselves from men, implies that the woman is an a-sexual object. A man doesn´t have to ´protect his body from the female looks´, because only men can feel sexual desire, a woman simply doesn´t.

 

Can you understand that it is this idea behind burqa that I don´t approve of? And let me make this clear: I am not saying anything about women who willingly wear veiling. As I said, it´s everybody´s own choice. If they wear it because they believe it to be a divine order, so be it, if they wear it because they think every man is a potential (eye)raper and that women don´t feel sexual desire, so be it. Who am I to say something? My reaction is to the idea behind burqa. To put it this way: The fact that I am against religion doesn´t mean that I am againsts believers, not at all. The fact that I think covering yourself is stupidity, doesn´t mean I think women who choose to cover are stupid. I genuinely hope that you understand the difference and also understand the problem of covering that I have addressed above.



Thread: Burqa

345.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 09:21 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

 

But telling others this clown outfit is god´s order and enforcing it on public  is ridiculus and has nothing to do with Islam.

 

 

 Among muslims there is lots of disagreement whether the Quran states if a woman must veil/cover herself and if so, what should be covered.  For me, if there is a ´God´ up there, who sent ´the people´ a book with rules on how to live, why was it written in such a way that it is so easily to intepret words your way? That is just asking for oppression of the weak by the strong and the imposition of rules on the weak by the strong.



Thread: Burqa

346.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 17 Jul 2009 Fri 08:17 pm

 

Quoting CANLI

 

 

You find it in Türkiye and well educated women refuse to take it off so you cant say they are depressed by husbands or families

No one forced them to stand for it !

So i believe that has nothing to do with climate has it ?!

 

 

That has very different background, history and reasons than the ones discussed in this thread. A difference in terminology is necessary here, and I do believe that türban (as opposed to geleneksel baþöürtüleri)  is a political symbol, which has very little to do with religion. I don´t have time to get into it, but you should have a look at the name Necmettin Erbakan and the development of the türban sorunu in Turkey. You will understand that ´those educated women who refuse to take it off´ aren´t so much concerned about their religion.. (ofcourse this is a generalisation, but ý have seen them so often: wearing tight clothes, lots of make-up and then putting on a headscarf to cover their feminine charms. Yeah sure. So much for religion! I don´t buy it!)

 

Thanks for your welcome-back wish CANLI ITs good to be back!



Thread: e-t please thanks in advance

347.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 07:49 pm

 

Quoting Cottoncandy

 

 

 thank you so much K_s I almost had  it right... im still having trouble understanding why it is özlediðimi and not özlediðim                

 

 The -i- is the accusative. Just like you say ´seni seviyorum´ and ´seni özlüyorum´ (and not sen seviyorum and sen özlüyorum), ´özlediðim´ also needs an accusative.

 

Ben söylüyorum = I am saying.     What am I saying?

Seni özlediðimi söylüyorum = I am saying that I missed you.

 

 



Thread: e-t please thanks in advance

348.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 07:46 pm

 

Quoting sonunda

Can you also say ´seni bekleyeceðim´ for ´ I will be waiting for you´?

 

 Bekleyeceðim = I will wait

Bekliyor olacaðým = I will be in the act of waiting

 

Düþüneceðim = I will think

Düþünüyor olacaðým = I will be (in the act of) thinking



Thread: Soap Opera "Noor" (Gümüş) changes traditional Arab Gender Roles

349.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 07:42 pm

 

Quoting AlphaF

Anyone who tells me that this is the Islamic way to eat noodles can go and suck an egg !

 

They have made a circus act, out of a beautiful religion.

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFkblouoRjE&feature=related - 99k

 

 

I think it could be a set-up video. But then again, I can´t think of any other way for them to eat noodles without showing something of their face when being around men ´other than husband´.

 



Edited (7/16/2009) by Deli_kizin
Edited (7/16/2009) by Deli_kizin



Thread: help to understand text

350.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 16 Jul 2009 Thu 04:34 pm

Well, for one thing, they would look much prettier if they didn´t dye their dark hair platina blonde, because most of the time it looks yellow or gray, and really doesn´t match their skin and eyebrows.



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