I think craziness is suitable for any age

Oh and to answer your questions.. this is about Dutch men.. VERY generally spoken!! No attack on anyone

- Are they very caring, protective?
They are quite caring, but not protective here.

- Do they say "don't go there", "don't wear this skirt, it's too short".?
No they don't. They might warn you for something dangerous to go to, but they won't forbid you.

- Do they ever get very jealous?
No.. not realy.. a bit..i guess the 'good' ones feel uncomfortable when you go out with friends or have a close friend that is a guy, but they won't speak their jealousy much and its not as strong as in Türkiye.

- Don't they mind if his girlfriend comes home late and drunken?
They won't get mad at you, but who would love his girlfriend to come home late and drunk?!

- Do they use too many love words, do they say "I love you" easily?
Once they r really in love they'll tell you they love you and they use lovewords, but i dont think as much as turkish/kurdish men. (or any man that grew up in turkey)

- Are they casanova (woman chaser)?
Some of them, yes.

- Do they believe in faith very much or little one night stands don't matter for them?
No, i don't think many dutch men (dutch people actually, women also) believe in faith. And some of them dont care about one night stands.

- Is virginity something they would prefer in a girl? Or what?
No I don't think that is VERY important for most dutch men. If they love you, they would ofcourse like to be 'your first time', but they won't blame you. You wont loose your NAMUS.

I also think its hard to tell, to generalise mankind, at least in Holland.. I will try to describe a few stereotypes of Dutch men/lovers

- The straight-forward ones
They are honest, mostly blonde, tall guys who are honest, open and friendly. They joke bits and are serious by bits. They are not jealous and won't say you can't wear certain clothing. They will put their coat over you when you're cold but they're not VERY protective.
Their girlfriends are usually bright, open and friendly girls.

- The player one
I think this one suits for every player-man. They go out at night and try to kiss as many girls as possble or just one and try to get them in bed. They are usually not originally dutch tho, but they're usually not turkish either (not to make any misunderstanding up here! )
Their girlfriends, if they have any, are the ones with VERY faded earrings, huge earrings, maybe a bellypiercing or smt.. they would be pretty much labeled as Slut i guess.

- The "ROMANTIC" ones
Yesss we do have romantic guys here for as far as i know from my friends. I never found one myself
They are the ones who give you tiny candles etc for valentines (this is romance in holland) and they hold your hand and our proud of you. But i think in Turkey they would be seen a bit like weak men.. They are not over protected and not jealous. They are loyal and they cry when you break up with them.

So.. there are good guys in Holland.. and they are not too lazy to do things in household and such!! And they will keep the door open for you, give you their coat when you're cold, they will tell you you love them, maybe sometimes give you cute presents.
But i think.. what they all miss.. FIRE! SPARKLES! MAGIC!
I've never met any Dutch boy/man who had fire in his heart, who had a sparkling love that glows like its magic.. And i don't think they have the ability to make you feel like a real woman.
And these I found in my Kadir-love!

RENGARENK!!! That is the word i love!! I heard it looong time ago in one of Sezen Aksu's songs and i loved it from the beginning!

The pronunciation is beautiful, the meaning and the idea of using the word color double for a word that means multicoloured!

It's not really a word but i love when they throw their heads backwards and click their tongues as a disaproving 'no'.

Offf is indeed a favourite too.

And i like the word Günahkâr, just because it sounds beautiful. I also love the word Türkçe, because it sounds soft and sharp in the same time! Wonderful!

I like this thread! Good idea!

Jus like Ceyda i thot i was like the only one!
I also met my lover over msn, almost 2 years ago now.
After 5 months (i think?) of intense chatting and smsing, postcards and lovely shells from turkish beaches, he fell in love with me, he was the first to admit! I was too shy to tell him, till i could no longer keep it to myself So here we 'stood', two lovers over internet in August 2004. It took us till May the next year (thanks to visa SHIT) to see eachother in real!

The waiting has gotten more difficult now, because now we know what it's like to be close to eachother. But the plans for me to move overthere are becoming realer (more real?) every day.

Just liek the others i didn't know much about Turkey. I was raised in a family that had a big love for Greece, so i knew a lot abotu that country. I think therefore it became VERY easy for me to love Turkey too. I always thot i couldnt love a country more than i loved Greece, but i must admit, Turkey has passed it with its magical warmth!

I'm sometimes scared of meeting the 'real culture', I'm afraid it will not be as beautiful as i think??!? But i wanna know it.. i wanna get to know the culture inside out and then become part of it!!

I don't think there will be sooo much of a problem if we, women, (ohh how i love to generalize every now and then ) would accept the fact that 'our men' need to feel powerful.
I don't wanna cook and wash 24/7, but I'm not aiming for a fulltime job with good salary. There should be balance. And balance doesnt mean you do both 50% of the household. Balance means your happy with the situation because you feel youre not on your own about things.
Sometimes i feel i love him so much, that i would subject myself to him, that I'd be his slave if that's what he wants from me. But that is love: i feel i'm able to do that, because i know he won't ask that from me.
I once said: You have so much power over me, will you promise me never to use that power against me, askim? . He answered: Do you respect me? I said: Ofcourse i do!He smiled and said: If i ever use my power over you against you, would you still respect me?I said that I didnt think i would.. He said: If i loose your respect, I'll loose my power. And you'll be a free strong girl
I think he's damn right about that!

And.. their power.. they only have as much power as we give them. So in the end, aren't we the powerful ones?!

Yes, but French comes closer to Dutch than Turkish and therefore i easily learnt French, as being dutch, but discovering difficulty in Turkish

Anyways I'm just a beginner too and my opinion is, you'll only learn Turkish properly if you are there and forced to speak it. So i can't wait to pack my bags and leave next summer!

Can someone explain this? I dont see how
with you or not.. could ever mean 'never without you'

With you or not sounds like.. take it or leave it, i can do it myself too but it owuld be nice if it was together with you. Never without you sounds like you need the other one so badly. So how can these 2 mean this?

Now we still don't know that their attitude agaisnt women is, do we? Modern men, speak up!