Point taken. It´s good to see there´re more like-minded people. Sometimes it´s easy to forget when all you see is fights and arguments. Thanks for reminding me of it

And just to add re the part you edited. You´re right, I should have been more specific, such comments can be easily misconstrued.

Here´s another thing that caught my eye. It really puts things in perspective, doesn´t it?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/27/watch-if-an-asteroid-hit_n_153724.html

I did sign it, thanks for posting it again though.

Is there going to be a petition if Israelis are going to get killed too? That´s what I mean by condemning ALL killings, regardless of race, religion, nationality, and including self-destruction in order to kill. This has to stop or we will wipe ourselves from existance (the only spiecies to ever do so I would imagine).

Volunteer suicide bombers seek to attack Israel

TEHRAN, Iran – Hard-line Iranian student groups have asked the government to authorize volunteers to go carry out suicide bombings in Israel in response to the Israeli assault on the Gaza Strip.

The government of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had not responded to the call by Wednesday. Five hard-line student groups and a conservative clerical group launched a registration drive on Monday, seeking volunteers to carry out suicide attacks against Israel.

In an open letter to Ahmadinjead, the students said "volunteer student suicide groups ... are determined to go to Gaza. You are expected to issue orders to the relevant authorities in order to pave the way for such action." A copy of the letter was made available to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

Volunteer suicide groups have made similar requests in the past and the government never responded to their calls. Some hard-liners have claimed previously they succeeded in secretly sending bombers to Israel, but their claims have never been verified, and there has not been any sign of Iranians carrying out suicide attacks in Israel — raising the likelihood the groups´ activities are mainly for propaganda purposes.

The hard-liners started signing up volunteers after Iran´s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a religious decree Sunday saying anyone killed while defending Palestinians in Gaza against Israeli attacks would be considered a martyr.

The groups claim that more than than 10,000 people throughout Iran have registered as volunteer suicide bombers in the past three days. At a gathering Tuesday in Tehran, hard-liners were distributing registration forms to volunteers.

"How can I remain indifferent while defenseless Palestinians are being butchered," said one volunteer, Ali Reza Takrim Namini, as he filled out the registration form.

Another, Mostafa Babaei, vowed, "I´m willing to sacrifice my blood in support of Islam and in defense of Palestinian Muslims."

The volunteers wore white shrouds symbolizing their willingness to die and headbands with the slogan "Defenders of Gaza" and "Ready for Martyrdom." Most of those registering were members of the Basij militia, a hard-line paramilitary group that has tens of thousands of members and is often involved in drumming up popular fervor against Israel and the West.

Israel´s bombardment of Gaza, whick has killed hundreds of Palestinians, has sparked outrage in Iran and throughout the rest of the Muslim world. Israel says it launched its campaign in retaliation for rocket fire aimed at civilians in southern Israeli towns by Hamas. Iran is Hamas´ main backer, providing it considerable financial aid, though Tehran denies sending it weapons.

Protesters have held daily rallies outside the Egyptian interests section in Tehran, as well as the Jordanian and Saudi embassies, protesting what they call inaction by Arab nations. On Thursday, hard-line students threatened to storm the Egyptian mission unless Egypt open its Rafah border crossing with Gaza, a step Cairo has refused.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081231/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_iran_israel_palestinians

We live in an absurd world. Here´s  another link, not for the faint of heart, for those who want to sympathize with the above:

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news?ei=UTF-8&p=14+Afghan+children+killed+by+a+car+bomb&x=wrt&c=av

Isn´t it time to condemn all killings?

Femm, darling, maybe you need to open up a history textbook from time to time (and no, the Bible doesn´t qualify). Make it your New Year´s Resolution. While you´re looking up history of democracy, you might also want to read up on Athens in the antiquity. If you find that to be a bit too advanced reading for you, I´ll be happy to provide you with some Wiki links.

This is great Thank you

 +1000

The Enlightment is not called the Age of Reason for nothing

Oh in that case, I do beg your pardon. Let me modify my post a bit ..

"If you can´t argue with (insert preferred epithet here)´s opinions, attack their personal character."

And funny, I thought you were a Christian-wannabe. My mistake again

I hardly could care about what you believe. Maybe we looked in different places

Besides, I was too distracted by laughing at him trying to pass a fishing lure as an evidence against evolution  (this is a pic from his Atlas of Creation, which by the way is available online - and has GEORGOUS photography - for free to all those who want to believe fishing lures are god-made)

I made this thread to point out that ALL religions are absurd and none of them (or very few) are peaceful/harmless when you take a closer look at it. And also to point out that people who are considered moderates are guilty of perpetrating the myth of benign religions. This is not a thread about Turkey, this is a threat about religions in general, stemming from my frustration with the whole Christian vs. Muslim war that is in a way reflected by multiple posts on this website.

You´re obviously entitled to your opinion about me. Which brings me to trick #2 used by religious people:

If you can´t argue/disagree with the atheist´s arguments/opinons, attack their personal character.