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Thread: Any volunteer to summarize a 12-page article ?

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

26 May 2007 Sat 09:25 am

It is in English. And needs to be translated into Korean.
Since I told the owner that it is long and the language is heavy for me, I may not finish it until the deadline, which is Monday, actually, the deadline was last Friday, but I couldn't make it in 2 days, so we agreed that a summary would do fine.
The problem is I have no idea how to summarize it. Because it is not my study area and my English is not good enough to understand every word in the text. I will delete many sentences from the original text to make it a summary. But I just can't decide which ones to delete.
I just wanted to try my luck here, may there be someone who is interested to read the text for herself/himself and provide me a small form it, just deleting extra sentences in the text.
I am not looking for a real summary in your own words which can take a long time.

Thread: Electronic Turkihs/English dictionary?

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

26 May 2007 Sat 09:12 am

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Mine doesnt talk though

I saw many talking dictionaries, never used one because they didn't reply when I asked 'How are you ?' lol

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

26 May 2007 Sat 09:03 am

It may not be my business but;
The word Turkish is used in the meaning of Turkic in all posts where the real meaning points to the People of Turkey.
Other peoples from different Turkic countries may get it as we are trying to separate them from their Turkic roots.

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FWIW, there have been other finds that point to Semetic peoples having migrated to the Americas. A stone was found about 30 to 40 years in the Eastern US. It was called the Metcalf Stone (not sure of the spelling) On the stone were inscrived ancient Sumerian text describing a people who and when they arrived at the place and were so many men and women and some other informations about them.

Hmm, Metcalf.

A small Quote.

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Prof. Gordon believed the Metcalf Stone, discovered in 1966 in Georgia (he was sent a cast of the stone in 1968 by the late Dr. Joseph B. Mahan, of ISAC), was inscribed with characters representing a hitherto unknown point between the development of syllabic Linear A and our acrophonic alphabet. As this is an example of an otherwise unattested singularity, there appears to be no associated archaeological remains to support an Old World presence in pre-Columbian Georgia, it may be merely that the marks of the â€œinscriptionâ€ fortuitously resemble a hypothetical Old World script. Nothing further may be advanced at this time.

As with the Metcalf Stone, there appears to be no associated archaeological remains to support an Old World presence in pre-Columbian times in the New World. Some supporters of the antiquity of the inscriptions ignore the lack of corroborating evidence and often feel persecuted when their claims are ignored by mainstream science.

As Genetics science says, we all came from Africa. Some say the human had evolved from chimpanzees, some say God had created human separately from other animals. In my opinion this is not an important point, but there was an evolution which still continues. We cannot say what will happen after 10000 years. I don't want to discuss about that but wanted to show that evolution, separation and merging are in charge as it had been for all ages.
Ok, starting from Africa, excluding what was there before Africa, humanbeing had scattered into tribes and moved to the other parts of the world. As we are following the roots of American Natives thus Turks(in the above hypothesis), I want to point out the similarities between Sumerian Language(Mesopotamia) and Turkish as well as there are similarities between Hittites(Anatolia) and European languages. And we also know that number figures that we use in Europe are derived from India. We call them Arabic Numbers, but Arabs use different figures than our 'modern' numbers. They are not derived from Chinese characters, although we used many Chinese origin inventions. Well, this is getting long. Here, my point is people had been MOVING while carrying their culture, religion etc with them. There were touches between cultures, thus exchange of things, religions, languages etc.
What was the religion in Europe before Christ, was Shamanism or Paganism, practically same thing. There were shamans guiding people through their religions. What is a Druid if it is not a shaman ? There were hundreds of gods in Ancient Roman, Greek, Druid, Northern Europe, Egypt etc religions. But Sun, Sky or Weather, Moon, Stars, Earth, Water (and their symbols) were the primary ones as they were in Turks, American Natives or other cultures.
Armegon mentioned a religious ceremony, travel to god or something similar. At those travels shaman was using some drugs to be able to talk to the god, it is similar the ones in other religions, not only Turks or American Natives. Greeks were traveling to Hades, and other religions were traveling to their gods, in Islam Mohamed had a travel to God, Moses and Jesus traveled to or talked with God, still in Christianity Fathers are the link between God and human beings, they can talk with God.(Correct me if I am wrong here, and I don't want to start a discussion about religions, in the way of which one is right or which one is wrong.) My point is traveling to or talking with god is an important point in all religions, therefore it may not be a good basis to base a study.

In the light of above explanations(IMHO), If I follow the hypothesis, I may say that we(Turks) started at Africa -> Mesopotamia -> Asia -> America.
But, what I believe is there is not enough proof to prove that American Natives are Turks. There are so many similarities around the world preventing us to find SAMENESS between both cultures.

Thread: Visa fees who benefits?

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 09:11 pm

Hi Loveprague,

I don't know anything about it except the fact that EU countries, UK, USA and some others are making a big profit from those visa fees for nothing in the result of visa refusals. It is true not only for Turkey but for many other countries

You have to pay the money every time and it is not refunded, even if you bought a house next to the embassy(well, to save transportation fee) and applied 365 times a year and even you become like a family member to the workers of the embassy even to the ambassador in person.

But I think there is a limit on number-of-applications-can-be-made. After a couple of times you may lose the right to apply for a visa ? So, you have to use other juridical ways to object to your refusal.

But it is better to ask the proper office in your government for details. Generally, they reply such questions by e-mail. Some countries(Such as Korea) have e-government procedures where you can ask whatever you want by mails or through their forums and you usually get a reply in a few days.

Send a query through internet or visit the proper office in person. Phones usually don't work on such questions.

I totally understand your worries, and you have my respect due to you are trying to do everything for her.
Just be calm and don't lose your patience.
Again here, I wish the best for you.

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 08:47 pm

Quoting alameda:

I was watching Dancing with Wolves with a Turk, who asked me what language the "Indians" were speaking. I told him it was a native language and why did he ask. He said because they were speaking an old Turkish that he could understand.
He said they were Turks.

Waow! He should be a genius and have a professor degree on Turkish language then. or was just joking !

Because I even cannot get the meaning of sentences or text, except some words of course, from Orkhun Scripts on Gokturk Runes. PS: Here "even" means as a native Turkey Turk not as a genius or a professor.

But I wonder, can you remember the name of the tribe ?

Addition:

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If the native americans came for asia (and are turks), then this term only applies to the peoples who came, not the ones who stayed.

So if they moved to that continent and there already were some other tribes on that continent, who are the natives ?
After comers ? or Already settleds ?
Well, I know those words are wrong but I want to keep them.

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 07:55 pm

Quoting armegon:

No i do not say only DNA, DNA maybe gives only clue, i also say religions, languages and culture should be compared scientifically.

I agree. But I want to share some of my opinions about them.

Thanks DaveT pointing out the secret behind the motifs on rugs.

I believe that there are many COINCIDENCES and/or there even may be slight contacts between cultures resulting some similarities in religion, culture and language.

Turks were roaming tribes, MOSTLY, in the known history.
And American Natives were also roaming tribes, depending on season, water, food etc same as Turks. As far as I know there is only one known real-settlement in America, somewhere close to Mexico, except South American cultures of course.
The Horse is/was a very important thing in both societies' life. Same as archery, and using bow while riding a horse for hunting or fighting. Turks were famous about their riding and archery as American Natives.
Naming a boy ceremony has similarities between both cultures. A boy should prove his "manship" before getting a real name. Well, this is also common in many cultures.
Since both were roaming cultures, it is normal(IMHO) to develop a similar life style and culture.
It can be normal to have similar gods to worship, since those things (air,weather,sun,stars,water,wind,earth) are important in roaming tribes' life. They roamed because of those things that they could not change or affect powers of nature. So it is normal to have them as gods to worship. Is there any god name similarity ?

About South American tribes/cultures. They set up many big cities and didn't roam as Turks. Their culture is closer to Ancient Egypt more than Turks. They built pyramids, they prepared star-charts, they calculated sun's, stars' position etc same as Egyptians and their hieroglyphs are closer to Egyptian hieroglyphs than any other alphabet on the Earth. I don't know if they had shared a common symbol among those hieroglyphs. But their number-system was based on 20 not like Egyptians. Which is very important in human-life, maybe more than alphabet (IMHO).

I read Armegon's quote. Similarities looks interesting but there are also some people, as you know, trying to set up a link between extraterrestrials and some cultures such as Maya, Aztec, Egyptian, Easter Island, India, Cambodia etc, on Earth. They also have their own evidences.

There are many similar myths and legends around the world. Most common one is the Deluge(flood), I think. Almost every ancient culture have it. Then the legend of "the white man from the sea"; maybe Noah. South Americans say that the sun had risen from west 4 times in the history. There are some similarities between Mesopotamian cultures and South American's.

There are some Turanism extremists, who are trying to convert/make everybody on the Earth to a Turk. If you'd ask them even the people living on Turks and Caicos Islands are pure Turk.

If you'd ask me I will be proud to be called as an American Native or any other culture around the world. I am proud of being a Turk too, of course.
But I don't prefer them to call theirselves Turks(by force or result of a made-up history).
History is a very important thing in all societies, but you know, it is so easy to fake truths as it is done in every country as well as in Turkey.

I saw that nobody has said anything on my question.
Why we are trying to call Native Americans as Turks ?
Why we are not trying to call Turks as Native Americans ?
Who are Turks ?

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 03:48 pm

Quoting yilgun-7:

In my opinion, the AMERICAN NATIVES and AMERICAN INDIANS are very different things according to a scientific study.
In my opinion, American Indian is a wrong concept or a phenomenon.
It is called "AMERICAN NATIVES".
This is a true definition.
And, according to some Historians, American Natives were Turks.

Respect !
Since I am not into genetics or similar sciences, I can't say anything about it.

I also agree that the term "Indians" is a misunderstanding in your concept, but all world calls them like this. Thanks to Colombus. Some people also say "Red skins". PS: I am not trying to be racist here.

But how can we distinguish them. Could you tell us some details on the discrimination. I mean, if they are not the people that we know as "Indians", then who are they ?

I mentioned about some possibilities above in the largeness of my knowledge. Is there a chance that any of them might be true ?

Addition: Who are Turks ?

Thread: All about Turkish and Uyghur:

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 03:32 pm

Quoting korshad:

Beghir or jiger is liver in Uyghur. (Ciğer)
Copper is mis. (Bakır)

adjectives:

small: kiÃ§ik (kÃ¼Ã§Ã¼k), ushshaq,.. (uşak:only for kids)
big: Ã§ong (maybe Ã§ok(a lot) ), yoghan (maybe yoğun(dense) ), bÃ¼yÃ¼k (bÃ¼yÃ¼k) ...
light: yenik (Sounds very Turkish, I can understand in some cases that it is used to say light, same word is used in Turkish to express "something that has lost some of its body" ), yengil (hafif/possb.Arabic)
heavy: eghir (Ağır)
short(height): pakar (kısa) Looks familiar though, there maybe a similar word in other regions in Turkey.
tall: egiz (uzun)
short (legnth): kalte , qisqa (kısa)
long: uzun (uzun)
ugly: set, kÃ¶rÃ¼msiz (Ã§irkin)
beautiful: gÃ¼zel, kÃ¶rkem, Ã§irayliq, uz ..(gÃ¼zel, maybe gÃ¶rkemli)
soft: yumşaq, boş (yumuşak)
hard: qattiq, Ã§ing (katı, sert)
right: toghra, berheq (doğru)
wrong: hata (hata, yanlış )
young: yaş (genÃ§, sometimes yaş ) yaş:age
old: qeri, yaşanghan ... (yaşlı )
new: yengi (yeni)
old: kona, eski-tuski (eski, geri in some cases, eski-pÃ¼skÃ¼)
good: yahşi, belen, obdan ...iyi (I don't know why this is different from all Turkic countries in Asia, similar sound in Japanese)
bad: naÃ§ar, yaman,...(kÃ¶tÃ¼, yaman can be used in very rare cases)
thin: inÃ§ike (ince)
thick: tom (kalın)
hungry: aÃ§ (aÃ§ )
full: toq (tok)
hot: issiq (sıcak)
cold: soghuq (soğuk)
neat: retlik (temiz, dÃ¼zgÃ¼n, derli toplu)
messy: qalaymiqan, retsiz (pis, dağınık)
slow: asta (yavaş )
fast: tiz (hızlı )
thin: oruq (zayıf)
fat: semiz (şişman, semiz is also possible)

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 03:11 pm

Quote:

All human are related, only difference is the time scale.

Thanks for the scientific details but I especially liked that part, my brothers and sisters. lol

Thread: AMERICAN NATIVES

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SunFlowerSeed
841 posts

25 May 2007 Fri 02:40 pm

According to some HISTORIANS, the American Natives were Turks

I have heard that too. But I just think that they are extremists.
There are some points that may be right too..??..

1-Some motifs of American Natives'(Indians) rugs are similar to Turkic ones. This is the main idea for the relationship.
Don't remember much but they say that the meaning of those motifs are similar to Turkic ones.
2-Some words of some native languages looks like Turkic words.
Japanese has some similar words(same origin) with Turkish. So it is thought that in very very very very old times, some Turkish people went to Japan-Land and established Japan, and the remaining part moved to America.

They maybe right, but I don't think so.

3-Some people tracked Turks back to Mu. Another mysterious continent like Atlantis, but older than Atlantis I think.
Turks were living on a huge island in the middle of Pacific Ocean with some other tribes or cultures. When the island had sunk some old Turks had moved to Asia and some has moved to America.
They have some evidences of writings, some old pictures etc supposed to be Turkic origin from Mu continent.

This is also a possibility. Since the evidences cannot be approved, you can choose to believe whatever you want.

IMHO: NO

Addition:
According to most of the people in the world American Natives are not Turks, they are Indians.(From India)

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