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Thread: Absurd news from the Globe

501.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 07:11 am

Stumpy, there are a lot of legal ramnifications assosciated with the term genocide. The term was coined after WWII, and the crime was defined after WWII.

Until we make war itself a crime, we have to be very careful with the term "Genocide".

Quoting stumpy

It is not a problem to solve, it is a situation that one must come to terms with.  Every civilisation in history has commited genocide in one forme or another and those who ignore history are bound to repeat the mistakes of the past

 

 



Thread: Interesting news from Turkie

502.       alameda
3499 posts
 30 Jan 2011 Sun 04:35 am

Interesting....I did not know who you were talking about when you mentioned Lehs. There were many tribes, many forgotten now. The ones who stronger, more dominant have countries names after them.

Say whatever one might about Hürrem, she wasr part in the Kadinlar Saltanati (Sultanat of Women) that ushered in some of the most beautiful parts of what we think about when we think of Ottoman Culture.

Reading about the power these women had and how they wielded it, from behind a veil, gives an amazing view of power structures.

Quoting armegon

 

 

So far I know Anastassia Lisowska aka Roxalane or Hürrem was of Slavic origin, Ukranian, but at that time this region was under the control of Lehs, maybe that is why she considered herself Polish.  And right, she was very clever and manipulative even she caused Süleyman to kill his own and first son Mustafa who was very much loved by public and the soldiers. Mustafa was the most powerful nominee of being the next Sultan. And the period of Süleyman gave a start to downfall of Ottomans. I always likened the story of Roxalane to England´s Anne Boleyn by the way because Sultans were forbid to legally marry to the girls who were captured but as far as I know Süleyman broke this rule. Anyway It seems Süleyman was not that magnificent

 

 



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Thread: Political Views Of Authors

503.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Jan 2011 Sat 04:49 am

One artist in particular comes to mind, Leni Riefenstahl. Her work is amazing, beautiful, innovative, but her work gets little credit due to her association with the Nazis. In her later years she joined Green Peace and took up underwater photography. She lied about her age, at 72 she claimed to be 52 in order to get certification. Her underwater photography is beautiful, but mention the name Leni Riefenstahl and you get cold stares from many.

Quoting Daydreamer

It is a very complicated issue. On the one hand, we are perceived as a whole in most situations, on the other, the fact that somebody is a great, say, mathematician, doesn´t have to mean they are people of high ethics. Should we discredit person´s achievements in one area of life because of what they do on an unrelated ground? Does being a murderer or a psychopath make somebody a worse painter/musician? Finally, can we appreciate the book knowing that the author is not a person to look up to? Well, that´s all up to us individually. Personally, I think I can appreciate one part of a person´s life and still be critical of another.

 

 



Thread: Interesting news from Turkie

504.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jan 2011 Fri 09:55 pm

Quoting gokuyum

I am against banning this serial but I am sick of reading and watching Harem life in Ottoman Empire. What is so interesting about it?

From what I have been able to learn, it seems much of the downfall of the Ottoman Empire took place as result of the going on in the Harem. Hürrem, aka Roxelana was a clever manipulative lady who became a very powerful force. She considered herself Polish, BTW...hmmm....very interesting.

The whole sucession thing with the Sultans being the sons of captured slave women seems very strange to me. Not very efficient either. What kind of real loyalty can one expect from one who was captured against her will and forced?

The book The Harem by N. M. Penzer covers a lot of material on the Topkapi Harem. It was written 25 years after the end of the harem and has contemperanious interviews.

One thing I found interesting in researching the politics of the Ottoman Empire and the Harem, was the power and influence of the Chief head Eunuch, (Kızlar Ağsi) who was always black.

 

 



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Thread: Egypt, Tunisia....nothing to say?

505.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Jan 2011 Fri 08:41 pm

I find it amazing nobody has anything to say about current events in Egypt, Tunisia..or Yemen....Jordan too? It seems the ME is exploding. I hope our friends from Egypt and Tunis and other places in turmoil are OK.

I hope our dear sister Canli is OK. I miss you Canli...be safe.

 

Whatever happens in Egypt will have a lot of international impact.



Edited (1/29/2011) by alameda [spelling...banging head...argh...]

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Thread: Political Views Of Authors

506.       alameda
3499 posts
 27 Jan 2011 Thu 07:06 am

Hmmm....the old "the end justifies the means" idea. I disagree with that concept. Rather I see it as salvaging something from the remains.

I don´t think anything could justify the Holocaust.

Quoting Elisabeth

Social expectations and social norms were a LOT different in the tim e of Socrates.  While I understand your point, I think when you apply the social standards of today many works of the Greeks would never see the light of day.  

This forum topic started me thinking, though.  When I was studying human anatomy and physiology at university some years ago, we learned that some of our modern medical knowledge and advances came out of horrific experiments done on human subjects during the Holocaust.  While almost all people would agree on the level of moral repugnancy involved in the experiments, one can not deny that medical advances where made.

Knowledge is knowledge.  Can/should people ignore it because of how it was obtained?  To make ourselves feel better, we can say that these people did not die in vain that their deaths, although horrific, have saved countless lives. Still it doesn´t make us feel better about it.  

Maybe its a question of the greater good.  If a work of art or discovery is made and serves the greater good, maybe the ends do justify the means.  It is a moral question either way.  

My thoughts anyway....

 

 

 

 



Thread: Political Views Of Authors

507.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Jan 2011 Wed 11:11 pm

Actually, pederasty was an accepted part of Greek culture, but much of their works are considered very valuable. Read about Pederasty in Greek culture.

Is not Socrates considered an important scholar/author? The list is quite long....who ever is interested can do their own research.

Quoting gokuyum

 What if a pedophile writes a book about history, does this make the book less valuable?



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Thread: THEO JANSEN - Kinetic Sculptur

508.       alameda
3499 posts
 26 Jan 2011 Wed 10:27 pm

Really beautiful Alpha...you have posted some wonderful links. Keep it up, please.



Thread: STRATEGY

509.       alameda
3499 posts
 24 Jan 2011 Mon 07:39 am

Good for you Vineyards.....I applaud your efforts.

I find having conversations with persons, who are convinced of their wisdom and knowledge, has dim prospects of success. Some are convinced their knowledge is adequate to condemn billions of people and no compunction belittling those billions. Of course, they can do what they want, they are free after all.  However, the wisdom of such actionns are questionable and ineffective to bring about positive change.

They see the negative and very little of the positive. You know, glass half empty, instead of glass half full?

What can one say to those with closed minded "know it all" persons?

Quoting vineyards

Daydreamer you are pointing your finger at people who call themselves believers and call their prophet some deceitful Arabic shepherd.

You forget the realities of the world we live in and the fact that we are bereaved of the knowledge to have a peek at the big picture. There are questions but no one has the full answer that is why some people look for answers in the metaphysics and religion.

Basically, you could let a Muslim woman to express her opinion about Western culture and Western women. You would be surprized at the level of critiicism and disdain in her words. They detest your life style and find it inhuman. Now let´s do the math, aren´t you feeling that way about her lifestyle?  What good will come out of targeting religions? You will call their prophet fraudulent and they will call you God knows what. Like always, the best policy is respect....

 

 

 



Thread: Political Views Of Authors

510.       alameda
3499 posts
 23 Jan 2011 Sun 02:19 am

Ha ha...so true vineyards. I know when I was much younger I used to look to "artists" with reverence, that is, until I got to know more than a few. I found they are just as likely to be jerks as anyone else. In fact, many are very egoist, thinking theirselves to be very special in all areas. Being profound and informed thinkers is not always included in the list of gifts. 

All too often, the "art" produced  has little more value that a trained animal is capable of.

 

Quoting vineyards

We know that art has almost a sacred quality. Regardless of how artists may irritate people with their works sometimes, they are given a privilaged status and anger is usually directed at those who try to restrict artist´s right to express himself. We know that Adolf Hitler was an artist too. Assuming that his works live up to artistic standards and that they are still available; should we have them on display? 

 

 



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