True, however the flames were fanned by the likes of Daniel Pipes, Pamela Geller and others. This is not the first right wing terrorist attack, let´s not forget the Gabriel Giffords, the many anti abortion murders.......These people and others lend credibility to people like Anders Breivik. Violent games train them.

We need to rethink our society. I have never plaid one of those hideous games. Why on earth would I want to? I much prefer admiring the beauty of the passing clouds, smelling roses and other such activities. 

You know the thing about evil is, it´s sort of marbled in society and all of us. It´s like layers of evil swirled around. Nobody is pure evil, even Hitler has some woderful qualities. Have you ever seen film clips of him with children and friends? However, lurking in the next layer was a monster. 

It is unfortunate, but too often those who are responsible for legislation come from those industries making profit from the things they are regulating. IOW it´s a case of the fox watching the chicken coop

For those not aware, here is a translation of the pledge by Deli_kizin

 31 Mar 2008 Mon 01:40 pm

Here is my attempt of translating it so that other members can understand it too: 

Türküm, doğruyum, çalışkanım, 

I am Turk, I am honest, I am hard working 

İlkem; küçüklerimi korumak, büyüklerimi saymak, yurdumu, milletimi özümden çok sevmektir. 

My principle is to protect the small, to respect the big, to love my country and my people more than I love myself 

Ülküm; yükselmek, ileri gitmektir. 

My ideal is to (improve), to move forward/to progress 

Ey Büyük Atatürk! 

Hey Great Atatürk! 

Açtığın yolda, gösterdiğin hedefe durmadan yürüyeceğime ant içerim. 

I promise solemnly to walk on the road you have opened, to the goal you have showed, without stopping 

Varlığım Türk varlığına armağan olsun. 

May my existence be a gift to the Turkish existence 

Ne mutlu Türküm diyene!" 

How happy for the one who says ´I am a Turk´!

May I point out the fact that if you want a nation, one has to have some degree of nationalism. It is unfortunate that we are not willing to share our all with each other as yet. We do not want for our brother or sister, neighbor what we want for outselves. Most the time we give them the lesser part. The other day some "friends" gave me some water melon. I was amused to notice they had eaten the heart themselves, and given me the less sweet parts. 

The debate was not about what animals, but how the animals were slaughtered. Obviously some, imported and eaten in Europe were not slaughtered in a humane manner, thus all the crocidile tears about humane slaughter methods is a bunch of bull. Maybe you should actually do some research as to what the conditions the animals you eat are raised and slaughtered in. I did and have changed the way I do things. 

There is a movement here to raise chickens, turkeys, ducks,rabbits and goats in people´s backyards. I only buy my birds & eggs from people whose chickens I see actually running around scratchng the ground for bugs, riding the backs of goats and folicking in hammocks. I can´t help but feel these eggs are more healthy than the ones in cramped battery cages with their beaks cut.

Here see European Factory farm chickens

Below is where I get my eggs and chickens from now. I pay more, but it´s healthy and I eat less. 

I am NOT wrong about it....I live in the American West....have family who raise horses in the American West....and family members who are in Forrestry Service....I know. Some are captured for human consumption, some are not. 

Actually, much of the horse meat is from wild horses "harvested" and sold to slaughter houses. So so so sad to see a beautiful wild horse treated in this way. Marilyn Monroe and Clark Gable´s last movie, The Misfits,  was about that. The Bureau of Land Management was allowing this. 

"The U.S. government has halted its sale of wild horses while it investigates two separate incidents of mustangs being resold for human consumption."

............and it still goes on....

In fact, the taste for horse meat has led to people who own horses to need extra protection to keep their own horses from being kidnapped and sold for slaughter....and the worst of it is....the most desirable horses for slaughter are the best horses....how do I know? I have cousins who raise and board horses. Horse rustling is still common and still going on. 

Hey, I love Greenpeace...... 

and laws are changed. It was legal to own slaves and do whatever one wanted with them, it was illegal in many places to drink, now it isn´t. Who is empowered to make the laws? I think Nazi Germany had some laws too.........as did Italy and a few other places. 

I agree 100% si++. The games and movies desensitize us, so actual violence becomes less repugnant. We see horrible things on TV, our kids play hideous games....of course this has an effect. It is a type of "grooming" that normalizes antisocial behaviour. 

In fact the US Army used video games as a valuable tool for training.

"  That has not stopped the military from embracing video games to recruit and train a young generation of gamers who typically play commercial games such as "Modern Warfare 2," which passed $1 billion in sales in January."

Si Tu No Vuelves

Alejandro Fernandez

I think you hit the nail on the head!