who is Ramazan Çelik? I was under the impression this type of dancing, the men wearing skirts is called zenne dancing. Zenne beint one who immitates females. Is this the proper or correct name? Someone told me it´s called koçek dance, however I was under the impression koçek dance was done by young boys in the Ottoman times, and as there is no longer a Ottoman Empire there are no more koçek dancers, or if they are, they are very underground what comtemporary standards and all.

Is the derivation of the word koçek is related to çocuk?

what is this called in Turkey today?

this isn´t about Turkey, but it is very interesting to play with this wind map. You can spin it around or tip it in different directions to see wind patterns today. 

Looking at wind

true, but with no direction wind may destroy, like a typhoon or hurricane, fire left unattended, can destroy a forest, village and more.

That might be Ok in the EU or Turkey, but in the USA wait staff are not even paid a minimum wage and are taxed on what they are expected to get in tips, even though they may not get that amount. 

so....if you left only $1 that is really an insult and could ccause problems for the person who waited on you.  The absolute minimum should have been $1.50. 

Here is a tip adviser for the USA....there are many who rely on tips...not just wait persons. 

You obviously subscribe to the battering ram school of debate, that is just keep saying the same thing over and over again so as to eventualy tire people, who will then let what you say stand. 

You evidently choose to ignore my post #6 and the Hunchek charter of 1887, or I might add the birth of the Dashnak group? ...Then there is ARF akd Dashnak group.

What do you call it when citizens of one country fight against other citizens of the same country?

Maybe this link will help clarify it for you....." a civil war is a war between organized groups within the same state or republic.."

That appears to be the case, however they don´t mention that fact. From what I see, it appears to be a sort of civil war within a war. 

Well, we all have our views, don´t we? There are many Armenians in the US, particularly in the NY and CA areas, both areas I´ve spent most my life. It was was presented to me as a fait accompli. As to your suspicions, I don´t give a damn about your suspicions, in fact I have my own suspicions about you. 

In the many claims and discussions from those who claim genocide, regarding "Armenian Genocide" I have yet to hear mention of the Hunchak group, officialy started in 1887 whose stated aims were: 

The Hunchakian program advocated revolution as the only means of reaching the immediate objective. The arena of revolutionary activity was designed as Turkish Armenia. The Party believed that the existing social organisation in Turkish Armenia could be changed by violence against the Turkish government and described the following methods. Propaganda, Agitation, Terror, Organisation, and Peasant and Worker Activities.

Propaganda was to be directed to the people to educate them toward two goals: The basic reasons and the proper time for revolution against the government; The social order that was to be established after the successful revolution.

Agitation and Terror were needed to "elevate the spirit of the people". Demonstrations against the government, refusal to pay taxes, demands for reforms, and hatred of the aristocracy were part of the party´s agitation campaign. Terror was to be used as a method of protecting the people and winning their confidence in the Hunchak program.

This is from their own website. I did not make any of it up. Not only that, a significant amount of Armenians during WWI took up arms against their own countrymen. In any country that is considered treason. 

In my opinion, war itself is genocide, after all, what is it but the organized effort to defeat another group? However in the term "Genocide" is a legal term, with legal consequences. In addition it sets up a demonization of another people, that is Turks, whose ill treatment can then be more easily justified.

This is not an area of study I´ve gotten into by choice, but by having conversations thrust upon me by others, who have made fantastic claims, I felt compelled to followed up on the matter. In doing so, I´ve found much contradictory evidence that disputes the claims of genocide against the Armenians. WWI was a tragic period in human history, many millions died tragic deaths. My own grandfather was a child soldier during WWI, he never recovered as he suffered from witnessing the barbarism, the gasses both nerve and mustard, he died young, but also suffered "shell shock" where he would at times revert to thinking he was in the trenches again. 

The bottom line is, war is ugly,hideous! I am against it, and anything that helps to start, or perpetuate it. 
 

In fact, I am very cognizant of the matter, having lived around Armenians most my life, and heard about the matter. I believed it for years, until studying history on my own on unrelated matters. That led me to learning a few contradictory facts.

Yes, I do think they want land, in fact. It is all but impossibble to have a civil conversation with them regarding the matter. Believe me, I am more than aware of the danger they can present if you don´t agree.

...and, I know there are some who most definitly want land and money. 

Armenian homeland may affect Turkey and Georgia 

Until people can converse about the issue in a dispassionate manner, not seeking vengance, nothing can be done. The fact is, the matter of "Armenian Genocide" is nothing in comparison to the African slave trade, the American Indian matters, and there is no country with any right to speak on the matter, until they clean up their own mess. 

Yes, there is a very well organized Armenian community to keep speaking up for Armenians and recognition of "Armenian Genocide". They are well educated, well connected and well placed. They have a strong constituancy group in the USA, they have been working on it for over a century. 

Most people do not realize "Genocide" is a legal term that once it´s determined or admited to, requires certain legal steps follow. Pure and simple, it takes in territorial rights  

I think it´s very rude to not give a gratuity or tip. Is the gratuity included in the bill? It is expected one leave at least %15 of the bill here in the USA. Now days that is too small, so people leave %20. If you do not leave a tip and it´s found out, you could be ostracized, or thought of as being a someone very uninformed and backward.