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Thread: A historic day for Kurds/everything has been forfeited?

81.       alameda
3499 posts
 18 Nov 2013 Mon 06:35 am

..............ah Mr. H....so what is it you propose....a One World order

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think I have mentioned several times that nationalism has to find enemies to survive and it will create false enemies when it is necessary.

 

 



Thread: Population Exchange

82.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Nov 2013 Sun 08:27 pm

I am not whinning about "this" whatever "this" is, rather, I´m replying to another post here. The particular links I posted did not in fact save lives, although it is possible some did. It is for certain the ones against the Native Amerindians did not save lives. 

BTW could you just put in a link rather than copy and paste the whole article in here?

 

I don´t know why you are whinning about this.................



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Thread: Population Exchange

83.       alameda
3499 posts
 10 Nov 2013 Sun 06:26 pm

This is a horrible part of all countries histories. It has happened over and over again throughout the centuries, and recently too. 

Native Americans suffered very recently too. Then there was the Orphan Train movement in the US, European forced child migrants to Australia program...These programs were accepted until recently when they were deemed human rights violations.  

I could go on and on, but in the interest of brevity, I will limit my "lists". 

You keep gong on and on as is Turkey is the only country where things have happened. What I understand is that we should learn from the mistakes made and guard against such atrocities in the future, not dwell on and pick the scab of the past. 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Of course it is true..

Forcing people to leave from places where they have been living for generations is considered as a crime agains humanity in these days.

Horrible part of our history unfortunately!!

 

 

 



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Thread: Our racist oath

84.       alameda
3499 posts
 07 Nov 2013 Thu 04:46 am

Really, this is silly. I asked you what the problem is and why you call the oath racist, you didn´t answer. I asked you if it was the name Turkey you find unacceptable, no answer. 

Most countries have settled on a name for their country. Many of the names actually are derived from some tribe or another, but we don´t hear the people getting upset and calling the names racist. Here, take a look:

Endonyms and most exonyms for Poles and Poland derive from the name of the West Slavic tribe of the Polans 

The name "England" is derived from the Old English name Englaland, which means "land of the Angles". The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain during the Early Middle Ages. 

The name "France" comes from the Latin Francia, which means "country of the Franks". There are various theories as to the origin of the name Franks: one is that it is derived from the Proto-Germanic word frankon which translates as javelin or lance as the throwing axe of the Franks was known as a francisca.[20] Another proposed etymology is that in an ancient Germanic language, Frank means free as opposed to slave.

Hungary, Atilla the Hun

In the 7th century, Bulgar tribes (likely of central Asian Turkic origin), migrated to the lower courses of the rivers Danube, Dniester and Dniepr under the leadership of Asparukh. After 670 he moved into the Balkan Peninsula with a horde of 50,000 Bulgars across the Danube and in 680 severed Scythia Minor from the Byzantine Empire. A peace treaty with Byzantium in 681 and the establishment of a permanent capital at Pliska south of the Danube marked the beginning of the First Bulgarian Empire. The Bulgars gradually mixed up with the local population, adopting a common language on the basis of Slavonic."

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

When there is an opportunity for racism you never fail to show up lol

I think, it is like a little monster in you, trying to come out like in the movie.......

 

 

 



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Thread: CREATURES - BIG and SMALL

85.       alameda
3499 posts
 06 Nov 2013 Wed 07:50 pm

Yes, people have been fishing with nets for millenia, however the nylon drift nets are not biodegradable and continue to cause damage long after their intended use has expired. 
We are not talking about the simple hand made nets used yesteryear. 

They even kill birds. Responsible use of nets is what is needed. Certainly, huge commercial drag nets that scoop up everything are disgusting and certainly should be illegal.  

 

Who can we blame for the nets

- evidence of fishing existed in the paleolithic period 40,000 years

- Cro-Magnons

- Egyptians who´s art and hieroglyphics show that net fishing was practiced in 300BC..............................

 

 

 



Thread: CREATURES - BIG and SMALL

86.       alameda
3499 posts
 06 Nov 2013 Wed 05:15 am

Beautiful, thank you! Those damn nets should be outlawed. 

Quoting AlphaF

http://www.youtube.com/embed/EBYPlcSD490?rel=0

 

A family at work to save a humpback whale, entangled in fishing nets.

Notice how the whale cooperates with the helping family, keeping his huge tail completely still during the rescue.

Watch the whale as he thanks in joy, after his rescue.

 

 



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Thread: Our racist oath

87.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Nov 2013 Mon 02:21 am

Are you refering to the fact that it says Turk? What would you have it say?

Quoting thehandsom

Nobody is reverse engineering anything/anybody  specially Ataturk and his reforms.

But when people bring Ataturk to defend their primitive ideas such as praising a racist oath from 1930s, I think they seriously damage Ataturk´s image.

 

 



Thread: Our racist oath

88.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Nov 2013 Sat 02:18 am

If you are in my house, enjoying the fruits and comforts, I damn well expect you to help me defend it against those who want to destroy it.

Then there are those who are like the ones delivering the Trojan Horse. 

BTW I do know some Jewish people who to today will not purchase any German products. 

Quoting vineyards

There is nothing wrong with the anthem, nor is there anything wrong with the oaths. I would say this is some sort of blindness or a lapse of reason. It is like refusing to walk on a Belgian pavement since it reminds you of the WWI.

This form of light hearted social democratic demeanour is rather typical for those fighting with their own shadows. As Shakespeare put it: "Much Ado About Nothing."

These people -after having read so many books- still fail to perceive real life. They are pointing out at a theorotical world where people are like beads on an abacus. Black is black, white is white; left is left and right is right. Here is a Turkish word you might need in this connection: basmakalip. (cliche or formulaic) and this is how they are. 

So, if you don´t want to offend them, don´t recite those oaths and don´t defend them or you will be labeled.

In fact, it is so easy to manipulate them: just bring out a couple of newspapers with a fake intellectual outlook. Attack a few symbols they hate. Voila, you have an army of comrades who will gladly help destroy your system until it becomes completely defenseless. German social democrats did this favour to the Nazis, why wouldn´t ours?

 

 

 

 

 



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Thread: Our racist oath

89.       alameda
3499 posts
 01 Nov 2013 Fri 11:50 pm

I think I understand what your issue is with this, however just about every country has similar issues. Poland was comprised of many different tribes, the Poles were just one of them, but now the country is named Poland. There is a similar situation in England. However names are chosen rather than call the countries #1 $2 #3...even then there would be an argument as to who was #1...

FWIW, I am under the impression a Turk is a citizen of the Republic of Turkey, and they are composed of many blends. Humans have inhabited the area for millenia, Hittites, Lycians...and on and on....

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

We are not talking about our national anthem (though there are racist parts in there too). We have been talking about an oat, started in 1930s with the inspiration from fascists of Europe like Hitler and Musollini.

They got rid of their society from these type open racism long time ago. 

We had much resistance and managed to stop it in 2013.. lol

 

 

 



Thread: Our racist oath

90.       alameda
3499 posts
 31 Oct 2013 Thu 10:50 pm

Excuse me, but could you clarify just what you are talking about? I am thinking it is this: 

"Türküm, doğruyum, çalışkanım. Yasam, küçüklerimi korumak, büyüklerimi saymak, yurdumu, budunumu özümden çok sevmektir. Ülküm, yükselmek, ileri gitmektir. Varlığım Türk varlığına armağan olsun.

English:

I am Turkish, honest and hardworking. My principle is to protect the younger to respect the elder, to love my homeland and my nation more than myself. My ideal is to rise, to progress. My existence shall be dedicated to the Turkish existence."

As a citizen of a country, IOW not stateless, you have an obligation to defend it. This is a basic requirment of citizenship of any country. 

Quoting thehandsom

 

Yes the oath WAS a racist oath from 1930s, inspired by fascist  dictators of Europe like Musollini and Hitler.

One of the many articles -in Turkish-

http://www.dunyabulteni.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=154599

 

 

 

 

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