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Thread: what caught my eye today

61.       alameda
3499 posts
 15 Jan 2014 Wed 06:17 am

Beautiful, I wonder if the humidity is problematic? Where I am, close to the water, it is. 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

Kanlica oldugunu anlamistim

 

 



Thread: Denying Armenian ´genocide´ is no crime: European court

62.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Jan 2014 Sat 06:16 am

what is the meaning of your "huh?"

Quoting si++

From: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/12/17/us-switzerland-turkey-genocide-idUSBRE9BG0O820131217

(Reuters) - Denying that mass killings of Armenians in Ottoman Turkey in 1915 were genocide is not a criminal offence, the European Court of Justice ruled on Tuesday in a case involving Switzerland.

 

The court, which upholds the 47-nation European Convention on Human Rights, said a Swiss law against genocide denial violated the principle of freedom of expression.

 

The ruling has implications for other European states such as France which have tried to criminalize the refusal to apply the term "genocide" to the massacres of Armenians during the breakup of the Ottoman empire.

 

A Swiss court had fined the leader of the leftist Turkish Workers´ Party, Dogu Perincek, for having branded talk of an Armenian genocide "an international lie" during a 2007 lecture tour in Switzerland.

 

Turkey accepts that many Armenians died in partisan fighting beginning in 1915 but denies that up to 1.5 million were killed and that it constituted an act of genocide - a term used by many Western historians and foreign parliaments.

 

"Genocide is a very narrowly defined legal notion which is difficult to prove," the court said.

 

"Mr Perincek was making a speech of a historical, legal and political nature in a contradictory debate."

 

The court drew a distinction between the Armenian case and appeals it has rejected against convictions for denying the Nazi German Holocaust against the Jews during World War Two.

"In those cases, the plaintiffs had denied sometimes very concrete historical facts such as the existence of gas chambers," the court said. "They denied crimes committed by the Nazi regime that had a clear legal basis. Furthermore, the facts they denied had been clearly been established by an international tribunal."

The judges cited a 2012 ruling by France´s Constitutional Council which struck down a law enacted by then President Nicolas Sarkozy´s government as "an unconstitutional violation of the right to freedom of speech and communication".

Switzerland has three months to appeal against the ruling.

 

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Huh?

 

 



Thread: MUTLU YILLAR

63.       alameda
3499 posts
 31 Dec 2013 Tue 09:40 pm

mutlu yeni yıllar



Thread: Nelson Mandela Dies :(

64.       alameda
3499 posts
 06 Dec 2013 Fri 05:38 pm

True, however the influence of the Captain should never be underestimated. The Captain is like a good coach who coaches the team to win. 

RIP Mr. Mandela

Quoting AlphaF

 

A Captain is never the driving force for any ship; it is either the fire in the machine room or the wind in the sails that bring the ship alive.

 

 



Edited (12/6/2013) by alameda



Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

65.       alameda
3499 posts
 05 Dec 2013 Thu 09:32 pm

Ha ha...All I do is respond to your comments, and I just don´t let you have the last word....but....sorry....I just don´t like to leave your misleading, (or misguided) words stand uncontested. My words are based on my opinion, which is based on research.  {#emotions_dlg.ninja}

As I have pointed out..over and over and over again.....as you know, the name of the country is Turkey, thus the name of the citizens are Turks...If you have a problem with that, petition for a country name change. Which I mentioned to you, but you didn´t lilke that idea.

"..... I know the Bulgarians don´t consider themselves any kind of a Turk, however the name of their country is derivative of a turkic people. Mexico takes it´s name from the Mixtec people, although there are many Zapotec, Mayan, Tzeltal, Nahua and Mestizo or various European derivitives other people. I haven´t seen them uprising to protest being called Mexican. 

BTW  In the Italy the term "Turk" was applied to anyone who was Muslim, and had nothing to do with any ethnicity. That term has died out some what, but I´ve heard many of the WWII generation still use it. It´s kind of like Moor could be used for black or Muslim in Spain. The patron saint of Spain is St. James Matamoros. There is a town in called Matamoros which means kill the Moors, meaning Muslims. "

and remember this:

Turk is not a race, it´s the name of a nationality, and the name of an ethnic group....similar naming conventions have been used in other countries..as I pointed out to you in an earlier post. I asked you what you would prefer, no answer. To me it seems you are hung up on the name Turk. Would you prefer Lasland, Kurdistan, Zazalaz? Trakitolia? What do you want, really, other than to sow discontent, that is?

Here it is again: 

Most countries have settled on a name for their country. Many of the names actually are derived from some tribe or another, but we don´t hear the people getting upset and calling the names racist. Here, take a look:

Endonyms and most exonyms for Poles and Poland derive from the name of the West Slavic tribe of the Polans 

The name "England" is derived from the Old English name Englaland, which means "land of theAngles". The Angles were one of the Germanic tribes that settled in Great Britain during the Early Middle Ages. 

The name "France" comes from the Latin Francia, which means "country of the Franks". There are various theories as to the origin of the name Franks: one is that it is derived from the Proto-Germanic word frankon which translates as javelin or lance as the throwing axe of the Franks was known as a francisca.[20] Another proposed etymology is that in an ancient Germanic language, Frank means free as opposed to slave.

Hungary, Atilla the Hun

In the 7th century, Bulgar tribes (likely of central Asian Turkic origin), migrated to the lower courses of the rivers Danube, Dniester and Dniepr under the leadership of Asparukh. After 670 he moved into the Balkan Peninsula with a horde of 50,000 Bulgars across the Danube and in 680 severed Scythia Minor from the Byzantine Empire. A peace treaty with Byzantium in 681 and the establishment of a permanent capital at Pliska south of the Danube marked the beginning of the First Bulgarian Empire. The Bulgars gradually mixed up with the local population, adopting a common language on the basis of Slavonic."

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

See, you have missed again: Calling a Turk with an Armenian name is aiming a racist insult and it is a racist comment.

That is you keep missing despite the fact that I keep telling you. Got it now? Will you say afew words about this racism? lol

I think you should stop coming back again  and again about this. But If you want me to comment on your writing, here it is : ´Not everyone is racist but people calling a Turk with an Armenian name in this context is racist. As racist as the word negro, as racist as waving bananas´. Had you answer? and will you stop coming back to this subject again and again? please?

 

 



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Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

66.       alameda
3499 posts
 05 Dec 2013 Thu 01:04 am

Hmmm...and how is that? I think you missed this part of my comment "I have a surprise for you....everyone is racist....it´s how we deal with it that defines us."

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

That is what I was saying to Alameda and Vineyards. Thanks for justifying me!! (I was right to say that ´my comments have always their reasons´   )

This is a racist comment and a sheer racism!!  

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

67.       alameda
3499 posts
 04 Dec 2013 Wed 02:19 am

Yes, however, we rapidly move on to what ever we are taught. I´ve watched with great sorrow children being molded their parents. If the child does not meet or interact with others in a positive maner, if they are taught to fear and hate those different, if they are taught to bully, most do. 

I was in a park recently where there was a flock of Canadian Geese. There were children chasing and frightening them, while the parents looked on with approval. I suspect those children will not see any problems with bullyng when they are adults.

One day I was in a line where there was a Chinese man in front of me. He was holding a small child, the child being around 1 year old. The child would look at his father´s face, then at the other faces and start sceaming. It appeared he had never seen any other types of humans before, and the sight of the different races frightened him. When he saw an Chinese face, he calmed down, but if he saw a black or white person he was terrified and screamed.

Another time I saw two toddlers, about 16 months old, one with blond hair and blue eyes, the other the color of dark chocoalte with curly black hair and liquid brown eyes. They both circled around each other with wide eyes, and no hostility, amazed at this "different" little person. 

Quoting Nadya.

"Every new-born child is born in a state of fitrah."



Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

68.       alameda
3499 posts
 03 Dec 2013 Tue 08:31 pm

Gee, you are so aggressive in many of your posts. It does get tedious. You do constantly harp on the topic of racism.

I have a surprise for you....everyone is racist....it´s how we deal with it that defines us. It´s probably only recently humanity has begun to realize the humanity of the whole human race. Many ethnicities language for themselves define themselves as "human" and others as something else.

In the USA blacks were not considered 100% human, which was why they were considered enslaveable. 

In China whites were called Bak Gwei, for Romani being a Rom means being human....I guess others are not(?)...for Jews non Jews were Shegetz, I could go on and on, but I think you get the idea. 

Most species prefer to group together with their own kind....just look around. However, in looking at a field, you will see many different species on the same field getting along. If plants and animals can do it, can´t humans?

Fortunatly these days we (at least some of us) recognize the humanity of all humans, and some even extend that to other species as we learn more about them. Dolphins, for example, we know now that animals have intelligence and feelings. Hopefully we will learn to respect all the creation and treat it accordingly. 

 

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

I think you should just take a hike!!

Yes I am calling some of my countrymen as racists when they act with sheer racism.

Can you show me one or two posts where I accused people with racism for a reason and the reason was not a right reason?

Can you show me any posts from yourself where you came up and warned anybody about their racist posts? (ie All Turks know calling a Turk as Agop is as racist  as calling a white person as negro. can you show me once you came out and wrote a few words against them? Almost all moral codes tell you that ´your silence implies your consent´.)

Let me guess : You wont have any answers to my questions..

Take a chill-pill for me.. will you?

 

 

 

 

 



Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

69.       alameda
3499 posts
 29 Nov 2013 Fri 09:28 am

Yes, it´s true, I could get someone to translate your attempt, then, of course, it will go through another filter, fruther diluting what ever it was you want to say.

Evidently your desire for my understanding wasn´t that strong, or you would not have trusted it to another. 

I understand....sort of....maybe...

Quoting thehandsom

 

 

There is an ´advanced´ Turkish usage there but you have never been (and never will be) that advanced and secondly I am sure someone will translate it for Alameda.  

 

 

 



Edited (12/3/2013) by alameda

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Thread: Why do Turks always fight each other?

70.       alameda
3499 posts
 28 Nov 2013 Thu 10:50 am

Saying someone suspects a "Conspiracy" is intended to make people feel silly about suspecting any sort of conspiracy.

However fact of the matter is most all social changes have happened due to people working together (conspiring) in order to get something done. 

In the purest meaning of the word, it means at least two people to be breathing in harmony towards a goal. It has taken on a sinister meaning through the recent years.

Sometimes it´s good, sometimes it´s not. Some succeed, some do not. It all depends on where you are in the scheme of things. Suspecting conspiracies is just being aware of how things work. 

The big fish that eats the smaller fish, who eats even smaller ones....and so it goes...



Edited (12/5/2013) by alameda



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