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Thread: Noun states for pronouns

5121.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 12:46 pm

Quoting oceanmavi:

this might help http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_13_2090



Thanks - but that still doesn't answer the fundemental question that I am losing sleep over:

If I want to use a personal pronoun then how do I know which of the states below it should be put in???






1st2nd3rd
nominalbenseno
accusativebenisenionu
genitivebenimseninonun
dativebanasanaona
locativebendesendeonda
ablativebendensendenondan




Cheers


Bod xxx



Thread: Noun states for pronouns

5122.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 12:34 pm

Quoting erdinc:

Bod,
if a dog has a personality would you talk about him as she or he? I mean "I don't want him to bark" sounds better to me than "I don't want it to bark" if I were talking about Flos. But I'm not sure.



Yes - I would certainly refer to Floss as "she" and not "it" (Floss is female!).

Also bear in mind that for the purposes of learning Türkçe, Floss is fully personified and I talk to her in Türkçe in the same manner as I would if I were talking to another person. I do not talk to her as a dog!!!



Thread: Noun states for pronouns

5123.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 12:26 pm

Quoting erdinc:

Hi bod,
as usual you are asking advanced questions. The correct sentence would be one of those:

1. Flos, senin havlamanı istemiyorum.
2. Flos, havlamanı istemiyorum.



You would get worried about me if I wasn't asking advanced questions wouldn't you lol
Thanks for the explanation - but it doesn't actually answer my question......and it raises another :-S

My original question is what is the rule for the noun state of the person pronoun? You have used "senin" which is the genitive state. Would I be right that the genitive state is used because the barking belongs to the pronoun?

The other question your explanation raises is why the verb "havlamak" has a verbal noun suffix and is not used in the Mastar Hali form?

Example:
Havlamak istiyorum - I want to bark
Havlamak istemiyorum - I don't want to bark
Why can't this be extended to
Senin havlamak istemiyorum

Is it because, to associate the verb "havlamak" with a person or pronoun other than the subject of the verb "istemek" requires a possessive suffix to be added to "havlamak"???



Thread: What is this forum for?

5124.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 01:19 am

Quoting Boop:

Your girlfriend is a lucky lady, Bod!



Oh???
Really???

I think I am lucky to have a person as sweet as my girlfriend - plus she has good taste in the skirts she buys me



Thread: Noun states for pronouns

5125.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 01:16 am

What is the rule for putting pronouns into a noun state???

For example, would you use the accusative or dative state for this sentence? And more importantly, why?
Floss, seni havlamak istemiyorum.
Floss, sana havlamak istemiyorum.


Floss, I do not want you to bark.



Thread: another word game

5126.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 01:00 am

Quoting Aslan:

doğru - truth



dudaklar - lips



Thread: Word Game

5127.       bod
5999 posts
 20 Jan 2006 Fri 12:59 am

Quoting Aslan:

ebediyet - eternity



tercüme - translation



Thread: Word Game

5128.       bod
5999 posts
 19 Jan 2006 Thu 08:29 pm

Quoting Aslan:

muharebe - war



etmek - to do (auxillary verb)



Thread: another word game

5129.       bod
5999 posts
 19 Jan 2006 Thu 08:28 pm

Quoting Aslan:

yalan - lier



sahte - false



Thread: Toast

5130.       bod
5999 posts
 19 Jan 2006 Thu 05:56 pm

The CD I have for learning Türkçe says that toast is "tost" but the dictionary says it is "kızarmış ekmek"

Is toast actually eaten in Türkiye and if so, which one of the above is the description that would be used in daily speech???



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