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Thread: Saz

1221.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Mar 2008 Tue 01:53 am

When you start looking for the origin of the word baglama you are destined to get lost immediately.

These are the names historically given to baglama:

Kopuz, Komus, Saz, Sazılak, Bozuk, Boz ok, Çöğür, Çanğür, Çağur, Ruzba ,Irızva,Tanbura, Dombra, Dutar, Dıngıra, Dıngırdak, Destek, İki telli, Çiftetelli, Bulgari. Baz, Berene, Çeşte, Karadüzen, Harek

As you see karadüzen is both a name for baglama and also a way to tune baglama. There is a "karar perdesi" which we can explain as the note that you start with, venture away from but always come back to. If that karar perdesi is the nore "RE" then you are using kara düzen. Another name for kara düzen iz bozuk düzen hence the name of the Greek instrument bouzuki and the root of the entire Greek music including Rebetico.

It is not surprizing that zeybek and zeybekiko are common in both cultures. That genre is a part of the identities of both peoples. It originated and developed in this country where Greeks and Turks lived together for hundreds of years.

P.S. Bozuk means broken, but musically speaking, it is a tradition to use such confusing words, the most common rhyrhm pattern in Turkish music is called aksak which means "not smoothly going", "limpy" etc.

It seems what identifies Turkish and Greek music is the presence of these deviated elements.

Here are some zeybek link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVyYxamYXc4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb08M-8BcSQ&feature=related



Thread: Are there any Finnish speakers?

1222.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Mar 2008 Tue 01:26 am

That is because Turkish and Finnish are linguistically related. Your language belongs to the Ural branch of Ural-Altai language family. There is very little mutual intelligibility among the speakers of the languages in this group. Nevertheless, all the languages share certain common features. For example, both Turkish and Finnish are agglutinative languages which means they use suffixes added (glued) to a monosyllabic root. Secondly, there is wovel harmony in both languages. There are two kinds of wovel harmonies in Turkish: harmony of hard (a,,ı,o,u) wovels and the harmony of soft (e,i,ö,ü) wovels. According to this rule authentic words cannot contain wovels from both categories. The other one is called the harmony of round (o,ö,u,ü) and plain (a,e,ı,i) wovels.

In fact syntactically, Turkish and Finnish are very close. For example, where we use the question word "mi" to turn a phrase into question, you use ko in the exact same position.

Examples:

oğlan mi?
poika ko?


There are other similarities too. For example possesive adjectives are also related:

Minun - Benim - Menim (Azeri)
Sinun - Senin - Senin


Finnish was at the brink of being a dead language which got revitalized in line with the rise of nationalistic feelings in the country. The language symbolized the unity of the Suomilainen who fought for their independence against Russia and Sweden. Nevertheless, because of political concerns, Finnish linguists made relentless efforts to relate this Ural-Altaic language to other European languages. That might be the source of the surprize the speakers of the Finnish language experience on finding the similarities.



Thread: Saz

1223.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Mar 2008 Sun 11:13 pm

There are many different techniques for playing baglama.
While some of them are very complicated and extremely difficult to master, the easiest and the most common technique is called "kara düzen" it is almost meant for everyone wishing to be able to play baglama. Also depending on the size of the instrument, both the function and the technique of playing greatly vary. For example, cura (the smallest baglama) has an extremely dramatic sound and is a solo instrument. Sometimes two curas play different parts of the melody creating a polyphonic sound.
Other sizes of baglama are often played in groups and used to accompany other instruments or a vocalist.

Here is a Youtuube link featuring a cura solo, note that the player uses all the strings to create the melody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR-JwXweGLU



Thread: Earthquake

1224.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 02:29 pm

Usually, I can feel the P-waves very intensely, I did feel this last one too. With earthquakes happening in remote places, it gives you a few seconds to escape outside the building but then earthquakes happening hundreds of kilometers away are often not very destructive where you live. The only time you should be really concerned is when the perimeter is closer than 50 or so kilometers in the case of major earthquakes or when you are directly on the fault line.

At the time of the big earthquake on September 17,1999, I thought the building I was in would just tumble down as a whole. I remember trying to hold the cement beam on the ceiling instinctively as if trying to prevent it from falling down on us. I did not have the time to calculate in panic, that each cubic meter of it weighed several tons, and that it would crush us instantly did it ever fall on us.

I could not get rid of the fear and the psychology of the earthquake for years. Even today, when I experience a minor earthquake my mind takes me back to that catastrophy that claimed the lives of 50 thousand, maiming 100 thousand and leaving 600 thousand people homeless.

The earthquake lasted for 45 seconds but those forty five seconds felt like maybe ten years. It was caused by the breaking of a fault line stretching hundreds of kilometers.
The original perimeter was 150 kilometers from where I lived but it was felt in a radius of at least 4 or 5 thousand kilometers at various strengths. The magnitude was 7.5 on the Richter scale, some sources measured it at 7.8.



Thread: TC Suggestions

1225.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 07:32 am

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting KeithL:

Quoting teaschip1:

So let me get this straight if I feel like this site is against me and unfair.. I should start a topic and poll and put everyone in an uproar for two days. This will lead to results..just want to clarify is this the appropriate steps to take?



With no disrespect to any staff members of this site...Yes.
One person cannot cause an uproar if there are not others who feel the same way.



But Keith, I'm reading the posts and I only see but a few people bitching about this site...It appears it's a couple of men doing most of the bitching...




Here is a suggestion, use the word "complain" here and reserve "bitching" for casual conversations.



Thread: EROTIZMA-CAN YÜCEL

1226.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 06:23 am

I don't know what Thehandsome thinks but I certainly do not appreciate the poem collage combining his and my versions. Anything concerning poetry is highly personal and emotional, it is not something you can mix with others to produce a better version. I would say, it resembles a letter sent to a beloved person. It is highly private in essence but equally universal in scope. The reader gets only what is available to him/her, the final product. He/she is not expected to get involved in the making of it.



Thread: chelsea VS FENERBAHCE (Stamford chelsea' ye mezar olacak) LOL

1227.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 06:14 am

I am planning to stay away.
-A Galatasaray fan...



Thread: TC Suggestions

1228.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 06:12 am

Many of the points stated above essentially constitute the complaints I and many other members have so far made of the way the forums are run. Profanity, irrelevance, ethnic or cultural disparagement must not be tolerated.

Those who point out to the private nature of the site should also remember, THIS IS A PUBLIC FORUM, this is not somebody's private intranet only available to say, family
members.

Now that we are polite and well-mannered people seeking some sort of consensus, we should really begin questioning ourselves to find out how we fare in the NET ETIQUETTE league...



Thread: TC Suggestions

1229.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Mar 2008 Sat 05:54 am

Excerpts from the rules used by another forum : http://forums.sixapart.com/index.php?showtopic=39328#entry176178

General Conduct
Personal attacks on other users, moderators, or staff members either in public forums or private messages will not be tolerated.

The use of profanity is inappropriate on the forum, as are racial, ethnic, or gender-based insults. Our user base is broad and includes members from various ages, genders, ethnicities and religious backgrounds, and it is important that everyone feel equally comfortable here. Posts that are offensive, insulting, or inflammatory are subject to immediate removal without warning.

Having fun or disagreement is permitted, as long as it does not become disruptive or rude.

All comments should be constructive and on-topic (within reason).

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If your topic appears to have been moved to a new location and you cannot find it using our search feature, please send a private message to a moderator. Do not re-post the topic.

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At all times, we reserve the right to remove any topics that we deem to be inappropriate, abusive, or disruptive to the community in general.

At all times, we reserve the right to ban any member who violates our guidelines or disrupts our community. Warnings will be issued where appropriate.



Thread: NOTICE TO ALL MEMBERS

1230.       vineyards
1954 posts
 14 Mar 2008 Fri 02:46 am

" What is your opinion about someone who tells you "who gives a shit about what you think?"

Why do you post your own opinions here?..You think your opinions are worth more shit than mine?"

This was the reaction you gave when I protested you after you called me a peanut. You also demanded that seniors be listened to when they spoke. At that time you walked away with your insolent remarks. You kept calling people names when you did not like their opinions. Now are you asking for order or fairness? Well, let me tell you what.
There is no order here. There is no moderation either. In other words, what there is just chaos. People can bully people to their heart's content or they can curse, humiliate and bash one another. It is guaranteed that they will just walk away with it.

If the facts were the other way around, I would support your case. Instead, I just don't care...

As a result, people with opinions tend to leave this site in search of better platforms where they can bring up their opinions in a more civilized manner.



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