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Thread: Difference between gelse/gelirse ?

1261.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jan 2008 Fri 03:41 am

Ağlarsa anam ağlar gerisi yalan ağlar.

Should there be anyone (improbable) to cry for me it will be my mother; all the rest will just fake it.



Thread: Difference between gelse/gelirse ?

1262.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Jan 2008 Fri 01:22 am

Sometimes, we say, "gelse", "anlasa", "bilse" in order to indicate dual messages; both a condition and a wish.

For example, when we say:

Aslında sorunlarımız çözümsüz değil, bunu bir anlasa her şey çok güzel olacak.

Meaning:

Actually, our problems are not without solutions, if only she can understand this, everything will be perfect.

We also emphasize the improbability of a condition:

Eve dönmüş olamaz, olsa(ydı ilkin beni arardı.

He can't have returned home, if he were he would call me as the first thing.





Thread: Vera

1263.       vineyards
1954 posts
 17 Jan 2008 Thu 09:43 pm

I translated the lyrics of one of the songs on the second cd of Pink Floyd's The Wall album. It is named Vera, and it is about Vera Lynn the famous British vocalist who got famous with her song entitled "We will meet again".

Here is the link to the P. floyd song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqFDW6ZDsqU



Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1264.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2008 Wed 07:23 pm

Yes, there is corruption but I am sure there are decent organizations as well. Corruption being used as an excuse to stay away from charity is a very annoying thing.



Thread: Vera

1265.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2008 Wed 06:30 pm

Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn
Remember how she said that
we would meet again some sunny day
Vera, vera, what has become of you
Does anybody else in here
Feel the way I do
P. Floyd

Hatırlayan var mı Vera Lynn'i
Hani güneşli bir günde
Tekrar buluşacağız dediydi
Vera! Vera!
Sana neler oldu
Kimse bilmez mi buralarda
benim hissetiklerimi?



Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1266.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2008 Wed 06:18 pm

Here is the link between the starving people in Africa and pro-life stance. If you want to save lives all that much look at this poor continent, there are lots of miseries there; people lose their lives because they can't afford basic necessities such as medicine, food etc.

If I invited people to join a fund raising campaign to help some people out there, how many people would join? Would you?



Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1267.       vineyards
1954 posts
 16 Jan 2008 Wed 01:16 pm

Here are some questions to those interested:

- Do you think the people around the world live according to the teachings of the prophets of their particular religions?

- Have been able to cure rape, incest, sexual discrimination?

- Are we affluent enough to have as many children as we want?

- What do you think about the starving people in Africa.

If you are unable to answer above question with a "Yes" then you are not entitled to pushing your bright ideas about how women should give birth to a child everytime they become pregnant.




Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1268.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Jan 2008 Tue 04:48 am

From where I stand I don't seem to enjoy that power myself. I leave most important decisions to my wife. She decides which room will be mine, what color the walls will be, where we are going on vacation this year and when she wants to invite her large group of female friends (in which case I am expected to leave the house.) We both work and have our seperate budgets and while my money has to be spent the way she wants, I have no control over hers. As you see, sexism does not enter my household all that much.

An impala in the savannah is supposed to co-exist with lions and other predetors. An impala has no chance to complain of its world. It happily lives and tries to remain in one piece. We cannot change the world by complaining of it. This world will be closer to what we may call ideal someday. Until that time, fighting goes on in all spheres of life. This fight is hardly a fight of the sexes, there are more profound calamities like ignorance, illiteracy, barbarism etc.



Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1269.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Jan 2008 Tue 03:39 am

To some being able to give birth to a child is a privilege on its own. It is just a matter of how you see things.

I have male friends who think badly of women saying they are self-centered, aloof creatures who think of themselves all the time. They would marry a man for his money or power and then try to use his power to her advantage.

Just like above opinion, yours is a point of view. Although I essentially agree with you about leaving the decision about abortion to women, I don't agree that being a male is an all advantageous thing.

For example, in my country, you don't have to risk your lives to defend your country chasing terrorists at minus 30 degrees on tops of mountains. Work life can be very demanding for a male. Most males are supposed to earn the bread money for their families. They must always be strong, this need alone causes males to abondon some of the subtler aspects of their personalities. Luckily for women, despite all those difficulties, there are still romantic males who write poems for their ladies or bring them flowers after having spent a strenuous day and those who honestly dedicate their lives to their wives.

Society is chaos, there are indeed some good things happening in that chaos too.



Thread: abortion is not a forbidden topic, is it...?

1270.       vineyards
1954 posts
 15 Jan 2008 Tue 02:01 am

In Quran, the development of the fetus is described as follows in Surahs 22-23-24 and 32.
"He makes you in the wombs of your mothers in stages, one after another, in three veils of darkness."
"Then We placed him as a drop in a place of rest."
"Then of that leech-like structure, We made a chewed lump."
"Then We made out of the chewed lump, bones, and clothed the bones in flesh."
"Then We developed out of it another creature."
"And He gave you hearing and sight and feeling and understanding."
"Then out of a piece of chewed flesh, partly formed and partly unformed."
"And We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term."

This statement: "then we developed out of it another creature" is quite interesting, in my opinion, The Quran considers man's development in the uterus in two stages e.g a transition from subhuman into human form.

P.S. I don't consider myself light-hearted just because I might support my partner if she decides in favour of an abortion within medically and ethically proper periods. This is a legal right on my part and I don't need anyone to show me how to use my legal rights.



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