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Thread: The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square

1281.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Jan 2008 Wed 04:59 pm

Quoting AlphaF:

AlphaF is a Turk, with international qualities and qualifications.

No one here can judge how far he can represent Turks in general...



Should we really take you so seriously so as to judge "how far you can represent Turks" with all your "international qualities"? Are you a statesman or a prominent artist, novelist etc? Who would give a shit about what you think on behalf of Turks. You think for yourself and speak for yourself just like everyone else in this forum.



Thread: The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square

1282.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:52 pm

While everyone is entitled to their opinions, calling people peanut brains or discussing in a patronizing manner is not welcome and is a violation of the forum rules (which are rarely obeyed)...

AlphaF did this a number of times in the past.



Thread: The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square

1283.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Jan 2008 Wed 02:28 pm

AlphaF is entitled to his opinions, he is however not a representative of Turkish people. As a matter of fact, what is going on here is a discussion among individuals not one among cultures, civilizations or nations.



Thread: traveling to turkey :)

1284.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Jan 2008 Wed 06:16 am

Quoting Such:

Hi everyone I'm planning to visit Turkey this summer, I'm going to stay about 2 weeks maybe.
Which cities dou yoou recommend me to visit?
I've heard of Istanbul, Ankara, Bursa, Antalya...Is the weather nice on June and July?



You can safely skip Ankara. It is just another big city with nothing much to offer to a tourist. The only attraction there may be the city's museums. There is a good one called Etnografya Muzesi featuring artifacts from Hittite and Urartu civilizations. If you are so much into museums you should change your destination plan to include Antakya, Gaziantep and Urfa where you can visit the world famous mosaic museums (Zeugma).

In Istanbul, The Archeological Museum is a must see. Topkapi, Dolmabahce palaces and a number of Kasırs (Stately houses) the historical peninsula (Sultan Ahmet Mosque, Hagia Sophia, Grand Bazaar etc), Golden Horn, Pierre Loti are Bosporus are some of the interesting places. You wouldn't see all of the city in 9 days, I have been living in Istanbul since 1984 and there are some districts which I have never ever seen myself.

Bursa is my hometown. It was so green and beautiful some 20 years ago. Now, it has become an industrial city with a large population. Nevertheless, you can enjoy Seljuk and Ottoman monuments such as Green Mosque and Green Tomb, Muradiye Mosque, historical hamams. You will also enjoy Mt. Uludag which is famous for it ski tracks. There is a cable car service to Uludag from the city. (altitude 2543 meters)

Antalya is nice, hot and full of Russian and German tourists. The Mediterranean is very salty and very hot. Probably not the best choice if you want both history + sunshine. The Aegean cost would be a better option. If you go to Selcuk, Ephessos Ruins is a must sea. There are countless historical sites in this region.



Thread: The Night of Horror for the Tourist Girls in Taksim Square

1285.       vineyards
1954 posts
 02 Jan 2008 Wed 12:56 am

Here is a translation of the reader comments from the page in the link:

Bastards!-
These foreign people came to our country, whereas we are supposed to respect them and do our best to avoid irritating them in any way; there are certain hungry dogs amongs us; these boisterous bastards they take advantage of such a (special) night and attack them. Those foreigners have every right to blame us. Unless we get rid of those bastards among us, such incidents will continue. I am confident law enforcers will give the right punishment to the perpetrators. (01.01.2008 19:52:00 Cemil)

Urban bandits or bandits on mountains, where is the difference? It would be more proper to call this high treason.(01.01.2008 19:36:00 Use-polis)

Voila!
Whereas we Turks would once be proud of our humanistic values, we have begun competing with animals (in brutality). Congratulations on what you did! (01.01.2008 18:19:00 uğur)

Shame on you!
I am a Turk living in Germany. Such a thing would never occur in Germany. Germans point out to the same fact when speaking to us. This surely doesn't do justice to our image as Turks.

Disgusting!
... I would like to personally apoligize to those guests of ours . Those are certainly a pack of riff raff. That is not something to be expected of a decent Turkish citizen.



Thread: New years promises...is that a foolish idea or what?

1286.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 08:49 pm



Thread: New years promises...is that a foolish idea or what?

1287.       vineyards
1954 posts
 01 Jan 2008 Tue 08:49 pm

I quit 7 years ago. That was the best decision I've ever made. Never ever missed the experience...



Thread: Ataturk's Address To Turkish Youth

1288.       vineyards
1954 posts
 31 Dec 2007 Mon 10:08 am

O Turkish Youth!
Your first and foremost duty is to defend and protect Turkish
independence and the Turkish Republic for all eternity.

This is the very foundation of your existence and of your
future. This foundation is your most precious treasure. In future ages, too,
there will be those at home and abroad who are maleficent and desirous
of depriving you of this treasure. If, some day, you find yourself in a
position in which you have to defend your independence and your
Republic, you must not tarry to weigh the possibilities and circumstances of
the situation before taking up your duty. These possibilities and
circumstances may turn out to be extremely unfavourable. The enemies
conspiring against your independence and your Republic may have behind them a
victory unprecedented in the annals of the world. By force or by ruse,
all citadels of your beloved fatherland may have been captured, all
shipyards taken, all its armies disbanded and every part of the country may
have been put under de facto occupation. Even graver and more
distressing than all these circumstances, those who hold and exercise the power
within the country may prove unwitting, misdirected and even
treasonous. Furthermore, they may have indentified their personal interests with
the political designs of the invaders. The nation may have fallen into
complete destitution, may be in a worn-out and exhausted state.

O Sons and Daughters of future Turkish generations! Even under
such circumstances and conditions, your mission is to save Turkish
independence and the Turkish Republic. All the mighty strength that you
will need exists in the noble blood a-flowing in your veins!

20 October 1927


P.S. Written a few years after the Turkish independence war was won. It is so valid even today. There may be some references that may irritate you such as "noble blood flowing in your veins". You should take into account the rise of patriotism during and in the aftermath of the independence war and the need for replacing the Islamic identity of Turks with a national one to lay the foundations of a modern society. You should also take into consideration the time frame and check out the discourses of other world leaders of the day.
In the end, this address is still very relevant to modern day Turkey. No one is obliging the country to give up on the ideals of the young republic. What we see today is the result of years of behind the closed doors activities sponsored by Islamic fundamentalists both inside and outside the country to take over the regime.



Thread: Turkey - Armenia Friendship

1289.       vineyards
1954 posts
 30 Dec 2007 Sun 05:48 am

According to daily Hurriyet (I wouldn't bet my life on its accuracy) Armania puts forward three conditions to become friends with Turkey:

1-) Recognize the genocide and pay us $14.5b in compensation.
2-) We do not recognize your existing borders, revert back to the borders set by the Sevres Treaty (Turkey becomes Ankara and a few surrounding cities.)
3-) Lift law paragraph 301 altogether.

Voila! That's what friends are for...



Thread: The Ballad of Mamak

1290.       vineyards
1954 posts
 28 Dec 2007 Fri 10:24 pm

The Legend of Mt Ararat by Mogollar:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0UVa8r_kas



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