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15 Jul 2007 Sun 05:19 pm |
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Having been in Turkey for the last six weeks I saw and heard many advertisements for the several different political parties. But I have to admit that I don't really know what kind of parties there are. Are they progressive, conservative, nationalistic, extreem, religious, socialistic etc? Can someone explain this in short and (if possible) objective to me?
CHP, AK, DP, DSP, MHP, Saadet and others: what do they want?
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15 Jul 2007 Sun 05:33 pm |
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Zamam have some good articles about the parties. For a very basic view this might be helpful:-
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=78191
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15 Jul 2007 Sun 05:51 pm |
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That is a tough and complicated question. I would rather answer science questions, but here is my try..
CHP (The Republican People's party)is a left-party trying to be more democratic...The leader of CHP is Deniz Baykal.
AKP (The Bright Party) is a conservative party. The leader of AKP is Tayyip Erdogan and he is currently the prime minister of Turkey
DP (Democratic Party) is a democratic central-right-party. It is something like between right and left parties trying to stay in the middle. The leader of DP is Mehmet Agar.
DSP (The Democratic left Party) is an extreme left party. The leader of the party is currently Rahcan Ecevit who was a wife of our previous prime minister, Bulent Ecevit. Bulent Ecevit passed away sometime early 2007 ( as far as I remember). Please anyone out there corrects me if I am wrong, I guess DSP has joined CHP recently to get more votes in this coming-up elections.
MHP( The Nationalist People's party) is an extreme-nationalist right party. The leader of MHP is Devlet Bahceli.
Saadet Party is an extreme conservative party. The leader of the Saadet Party is Necmettin Erbakan.
Well, If I were you I would rather enjoy being in Turkey and get some sunten by the wonderful southern and western costs.. Probably noone in Turkey even cares about who to vote in the middle of this summer. I would rather be swimming in Antalya on the election day.. 
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15 Jul 2007 Sun 06:26 pm |
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Quoting jenk:
Well, If I were you I would rather enjoy being in Turkey and get some sunten by the wonderful southern and western costs.. Probably noone in Turkey even cares about who to vote in the middle of this summer. I would rather be swimming in Antalya on the election day.. |
As most tourist do this, isn't it refreshing that someone wants to do the LESS touristy things and is interested in such things? 
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15 Jul 2007 Sun 07:03 pm |
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Quoting jenk: Well, If I were you I would rather enjoy being in Turkey and get some sunten by the wonderful southern and western costs.. Probably noone in Turkey even cares about who to vote in the middle of this summer. I would rather be swimming in Antalya on the election day.. |
Thanks for the explanation Jenk. But if you want to punish me, you send me to the southern and western beaches (including swimming near Antalya). I prefer the east part of the country, having a cup of tea with locals and talk with them.
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15 Jul 2007 Sun 07:18 pm |
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Punishing you was not really my intention. By all means, whereever you feel more comfortable in Turkey..
I was just trying to attrack your attention to Turkey..
No heart feelings..
I am currently in Ankara. The weather seems to be nice these days..Going to Antalya.! It sounds like Antalya is too warm these days to see Historical places around....
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 08:09 am |
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Quoting jenk:
... Probably noone in Turkey even cares about who to vote in the middle of this summer. I would rather be swimming in Antalya on the election day.. |
I hope that the majorty of the Turkish voters do not think the same as you and also hope that we will see the highest ever voting rate (i.e. the number of people who voted compared to the total number of voters) this time.
I were vacationing, I would finish it and come back to vote. Many people I know arranged their vacation plan so as to return home and vote.
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:11 pm |
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Quoting jenk:
Probably noone in Turkey even cares about who to vote in the middle of this summer. I would rather be swimming in Antalya on the election day.. |
Just talk for yourself.
I expect a very high contribution in this year's elections. A lot of people have arranged all their holiday plans in order to return on 22 july to vote.
You haven't been living recently in Turkey, have you?
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:13 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: I prefer the east part of the country, having a cup of tea with locals and talk with them. |
Why particularly the east? You can have a cup of tea with the locals any where in Turkey.
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:16 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting Trudy: I prefer the east part of the country, having a cup of tea with locals and talk with them. |
Why particularly the east? You can have a cup of tea with the locals any where in Turkey. |
Ouh - I'd love a cup of tea, thank you Meltem 
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:20 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x:
Ouh - I'd love a cup of tea, thank you Meltem |
hehe ok. with pleasure
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:26 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting aenigma x:
Ouh - I'd love a cup of tea, thank you Meltem |
hehe ok. with pleasure
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Hehehe!! Yes, indeed...coffee is fine too Tesekkur ederim
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 01:40 pm |
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i bet our people will do their best for the nicer tomorrows on this elections and i wish the next political term brings more and more happiness for our wonderfull people...
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 02:04 pm |
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and we just want more respect from politicans to each other,and wishing from em to be good sample for people on the election propagandas,we really get tired about unproductive political rivalaries...
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 02:12 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: and we just want more respect from politicans to each other,and wishing from em to be good sample for people on the election propagandas,we really get tired about unproductive political rivalaries... |
Never going to happen, in ANY country!! 
If only politicians could be like ME MrX67! Calm, never arguing...an angel really 
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16 Jul 2007 Mon 02:14 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting MrX67: and we just want more respect from politicans to each other,and wishing from em to be good sample for people on the election propagandas,we really get tired about unproductive political rivalaries... |
Never going to happen, in ANY country!!
If only politicians could be like ME MrX67! Calm, never arguing...an angel really |
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 03:58 am |
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by the way DSP is not extreme left They are same as CHP. I would say that these parties are on center rather than left.
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 09:45 am |
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DSP has purer, more universal, socialist political principles. CHP is socialist as well , but contains nationalist undertones.
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17 Jul 2007 Tue 04:26 pm |
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I am unfamiliar with all the parties. All i hope is that TR will be lead by good leaders and make TR a better country in terms of economy, standard of living etc. 
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 06:00 pm |
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I think DP with Mehmet Agar or again AKP with Recep Tayyip Erdogan will be more suitable for voting..I will decide between them in 2 days..When Deniz Baykal leaves the CHP in the future,I will think that party too but Deniz Baykal is a big reason to not give a vote for CHP..Anyway,I hope Turkey will win in the end!
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 06:34 pm |
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In Istanbul I saw also the little flags of a party I had never heard of before: IşÃ§i partisi. What kind of party is that?
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 06:46 pm |
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CORRECTIONS!!!
"CHP (The Republican People's party)is a left-party trying to be more democratic...The leader of CHP is Deniz Baykal."
CHP is trying to be more democratic? they did their best to stop democratic process in the last president election and i think CHP is so-called left party. and they have never been democratic so far.and if you listen to their leader's speeches in the meetings you will see that he is as fascist as nationalists
"DP (Democratic Party) is a democratic central-right-party. It is something like between right and left parties trying to stay in the middle. The leader of DP is Mehmet Agar"
DP is not central-right party..they are just right..central right one is AKP.. DP is the first right party of Turkey.
"DSP (The Democratic left Party) is an extreme left party. The leader of the party is currently Rahcan Ecevit who was a wife of our previous prime minister, Bulent Ecevit. Bulent Ecevit passed away sometime early 2007 ( as far as I remember). Please anyone out there corrects me if I am wrong, I guess DSP has joined CHP recently to get more votes in this coming-up elections."
and DSP is not extreme left party. they are just left. nothing more. but there are many extreme left parties like İP, TKP ...
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:02 pm |
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i think all of em's just names different,they all forget their promisses after got their chairspolitican's and people2s agenda so different then each other,politicians use the more ideological tools while the people want more food ,more work,and dealing justly....
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:05 pm |
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tek başına MHP yeter!
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:30 pm |
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Quoting CARTEL: tek başına MHP yeter! |
If I translate it correct, you say: only MHP is enough. Hmmm....
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:36 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Zamam have some good articles about the parties. For a very basic view this might be helpful |
Aenigma, Zaman is a religious paper, I wouldn't be completely sure on how objective they are.
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:37 pm |
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In this years elections CHP and DSP are going to elections together under the name CHP. DSP is not gone anywhere. Even if they are not very active. They will get in the parliament together with the CHP if we vote for CHP.
Many people from the secular and social democratic parts of the media, society call the people to vote for CHP especially this year because we have to come to common sense putting aside the angers or whatever for Deniz Baykal.
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:43 pm |
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i think we all have to gave up from our ideological worries,for a better Turkey and for more peacfull tomorrows...
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 07:57 pm |
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Recently some polls have been carried. We do not know how objective and credible they are but they have shocked people because they seem very exaggerated. Well, if we think various polls that were done before, they are not very compatible with the results.
According to them AKP did not lose any vote, they have even gained!
AKP 42-48%
CHP 17-20%
MHP 12-14%
I know that CHP will not become the majority party but my hopeful guesses are not that bad:
AKP 26%
CHP 22%
MHP 15%
GP 12%
Independent 5%
There won't be probably any one party government, but if Recep Tayyip Erdoğan did not bluff, he claimed to give up the politics if he didn't get the majority. CHP did accept to make a possible coalition government with MHP. I prefer this coalition to AKP one party government.
Anyway, let's wait the results...
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19 Jul 2007 Thu 08:35 pm |
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Hi everyone
I get frustrated with all these politicians who say they are working in Turkeys best interests, and then squabble with each other (even within their own party) so the real issues i.e. unemployemnt, education, health system etc dont get discussed, and they spend all their time throwing mud at each other.
Really it is a case not of voting for the best, but the least worst.
We need more men of vision like Atatürk ... that would make chosing who to vote for easier.
Hayırlısı olsun!
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20 Jul 2007 Fri 12:11 am |
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Quoting AlphaF: DSP has purer, more universal, socialist political principles. CHP is socialist as well , but contains nationalist undertones. |
If you go to google and write Define:socialism you will get the following entries.
A system based on public ownership of the means of production and distribution of wealth.
a system or theory of social organization in which the producers possess both political power and the means of production and distribution.
An "economic, social and political doctrine which expresses the struggle for the equal distribution of wealth by eliminating private property and the exploitative ruling class. In practice, such a distribution of wealth is achieved by social ownership of the means of production, exchange and diffusion.
You might say that they are social democrat but not socialist.
And also DSP describe themselves as "ulusal" sol. So that doesn't mean universal. TIP was socialist but SHP,CHP,DSP were social democrat.
Also IP is Isci Partisi(Labour Party). They are Nationalist "left". I think you understand what i mean there Trudy.
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22 Jul 2007 Sun 01:08 pm |
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Everything is for Turkey..I hope Turkey is going to be a winner after today...
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 12:20 am |
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Turkey passed from this democracy exam with a big success,so more peacfull and more light tomorrows waiting Turkey from tomorrow
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 12:35 am |
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results of the elections
AKP: %46.63 342 MPs (conservative)
CHP: %20.91 111 MPs (nationalist left)
MHP: %14.27 70 MPs (nationalist conservatives)
Independent: %5.2 27 MPs (mainly pro-Kurdish and left candidates)
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DP: %5.42 (center right)
GP: %3.04 (nationalist conservatives)
SP: %2.33 (Islamist conservatives)
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BTP: %0.52 (Islamist conservatives)
HYP: %0.5 (i don't really know how to define them a mixture of everything)
IP: %0.36 (National "socialists")
ATP: %0.29 (nationalist conservatives)
TKP: %0.22 (communists)
ODP: %0.15 (liberterian Socialists)supported ind.
LDP: %0.1 (liberal democrats - pro business)
EMEP : %0.008 (socialists) supported ind.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 12:58 am |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:08 am |
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I have always thought AKP to be a rather dangerous party for Turkey. As I have no political sense whatsoever, I wonder where I picked up this idea though.
Maybe it is just because both Erdogan and Gül have never been able to impress me with their speeches. And I am highly surprised that Güls wife has her head covered. In a country where 20 million people live below the poverty-standarts, there are more important things than a headscarf to discuss about. But for a country that praises Atatürk so high, the founder of secularism in Turkey, it surprises me that they vote for a party in which the leaders are Islamic and have head-covered wives that therefore cant even be invited everywhere.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:08 am |
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Quoting mltm:
+1 |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:17 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: I get frustrated with all these politicians who say they are working in Turkeys best interests, and then squabble with each other (even within their own party) so the real issues i.e. unemployemnt, education, health system etc dont get discussed, and they spend all their time throwing mud at each other.
Really it is a case not of voting for the best, but the least worst.
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Sounds like every other democratic country. Most politicians say anything to get the vote but then, once elected, work only in their own interests.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:29 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I have always thought AKP to be a rather dangerous party for Turkey. As I have no political sense whatsoever, I wonder where I picked up this idea though.
Maybe it is just because both Erdogan and Gül have never been able to impress me with their speeches. And I am highly surprised that Güls wife has her head covered. In a country where 20 million people live below the poverty-standarts, there are more important things than a headscarf to discuss about. But for a country that praises Atatürk so high, the founder of secularism in Turkey, it surprises me that they vote for a party in which the leaders are Islamic and have head-covered wives that therefore cant even be invited everywhere. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:35 am |
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Quoting MrX67: i advice you to interrogate urself about whats the basic human rights for the criticize election results.. |
I think living in Holland I have quite a good understanding of basic human rights, thank you.
Secondly, I was not at all criticizing election results, as I stated I have no political sense at all. However, it is surprising for a country that praises the leader of anti-islam-governing, to again, vote for a religious party. They may say they have no agenda of 'islamizing' Turkey, but how can you NOT want to mix your FAITH, the basics upon which you build your ideas for the world, with your job/daily life, thus politics in this case? This seems a mystery to me.
I take it your an AKP voter
I just wonder why Turkey, a country that needs to go forward, would vote for a conservative party. And Im genuinely interested and not judging or criticizing at all (And Im very sorry I felt the need to say this just to avoid misconfusion about my intentions).
Anyway as is said before, its no longer voting the best, but voting for the least worst.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:39 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting MrX67: i advice you to interrogate urself about whats the basic human rights for the criticize election results.. |
I think living in Holland I have quite a good understanding of basic human rights, thank you.
Secondly, I was not at all criticizing election results, as I stated I have no political sense at all. However, it is surprising for a country that praises the leader of anti-islam-governing, to again, vote for a religious party. They may say they have no agenda of 'islamizing' Turkey, but how can you NOT want to mix your FAITH, the basics upon which you build your ideas for the world, with your job/daily life, thus politics in this case? This seems a mystery to me.
I take it your an AKP voter
Anyway as is said before, its no longer voting the best, but voting for the least worst. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:45 am |
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Quoting MrX67: to ling in Holland or to be EU citizen not enough for to be enough democratical,if you still have some prejudices about wearing still or belief prefernce of humans without don't know whats in their brains and hearts,how you can say u r enough democratical and let me know if to livinf Holland any privilage for to be more democratical?????? |
I dont have any prejudice at all about wearing a headscarf of religious preferances. But I do think that politics and religion should be separated in any case.
And you did not read my posts at all. I did not say I am against wearing headscarves. I said it is surprising that a country that adores Atatürk, votes for a party with ideas against him. Thats all. No need for you to judge my democratical values, hatta to tell me I have prejudice. If you go on talking in this tone, it is very ovious that the prejudicial one is YOU.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:49 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting MrX67: to ling in Holland or to be EU citizen not enough for to be enough democratical,if you still have some prejudices about wearing still or belief prefernce of humans without don't know whats in their brains and hearts,how you can say u r enough democratical and let me know if to livinf Holland any privilage for to be more democratical?????? |
I dont have any prejudice at all about wearing a headscarf of religious preferances. But I do think that politics and religion should be separated in any case.
And you did not read my posts at all. I did not say I am against wearing headscarves. I said it is surprising that a country that adores Atatürk, votes for a party with ideas against him. Thats all. No need for you to judge my democratical values, hatta to tell me I have prejudice. If you go on talking in this tone, it is very ovious that the prejudicial one is YOU. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:50 am |
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Quoting MrX67: thats really very clear on words who is prejudiged..my aim never to creat any caos,just i wish more understanding,more respect and more honesty,thats all.. |
Sorry but where do you understand my prejudice from and what exactly did I judge wrong, when not judging anything at all?
Anyway if those values are what your looking for, you've come to the right person
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:55 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting MrX67: thats really very clear on words who is prejudiged..my aim never to creat any caos,just i wish more understanding,more respect and more honesty,thats all.. |
Sorry but where do you understand my prejudice from and what exactly did I judge wrong, when not judging anything at all?
Anyway if those values are what your looking for, you've come to the right person |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 01:59 am |
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Quoting MrX67: to wear head scarf and to be against to Atatürk,huh,sound as if you talked with head scarfed women in Turkey and they all said you yes we r the against Atatürk,really not justly.. |
Yok. Öyle bir durum yok. Neyse, seninle konuşacak bir durum da yok. Hep aynı şeyler söylüyorsun.
En azından aynı seyler istiyoruz, Türkiyenin iyi olacağını, kimsenin aç kalmayacağını.
Iyi geceler.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 02:02 am |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting MrX67: to wear head scarf and to be against to Atatürk,huh,sound as if you talked with head scarfed women in Turkey and they all said you yes we r the against Atatürk,really not justly.. |
Yok. Öyle bir durum yok. Neyse, seninle konuşacak bir durum da yok. Hep aynı şeyler söylüyorsun.
Iyi geceler. |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 02:08 am |
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when bikini and head scarf got the same tolerance everything will be better...
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 02:54 am |
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Quoting MrX67: ,huh,sound as if you talked with head scarfed women in Turkey and they all said you yes we r the against Atatürk,really not justly..isn't that any prejudige?? |
MRX67, it sounds as if you are prejudiced against the very people you say there should be tolerance towards! 
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 12:28 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting MrX67: ,huh,sound as if you talked with head scarfed women in Turkey and they all said you yes we r the against Atatürk,really not justly..isn't that any prejudige?? |
MRX67, it sounds as if you are prejudiced against the very people you say there should be tolerance towards! |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 04:22 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: I have always thought AKP to be a rather dangerous party for Turkey. As I have no political sense whatsoever, I wonder where I picked up this idea though.
Maybe it is just because both Erdogan and Gül have never been able to impress me with their speeches. And I am highly surprised that Güls wife has her head covered. In a country where 20 million people live below the poverty-standarts, there are more important things than a headscarf to discuss about. But for a country that praises Atatürk so high, the founder of secularism in Turkey, it surprises me that they vote for a party in which the leaders are Islamic and have head-covered wives that therefore cant even be invited everywhere. |
You are talking about us 'veiled women' as if we are diseases or something.
Women have the right to wear whatever they want,as long as they dont cover themselves!
İ understand now what do you mean about democracy,Thank you !
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 04:52 pm |
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There is a very informative article in the Austin, Texas newspaper describing the political parties of Turkey and indicating that the AKP party would win the elections. It also indicated that the AKP party was trying to reverse the separation of church and state, bringing an Islamic influence to the government. And, this morning's newspaper indicated that the AKP did win the election.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 05:00 pm |
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Quoting wmalone: There is a very informative article in the Austin, Texas newspaper describing the political parties of Turkey and indicating that the AKP party would win the elections. |
Why does that sound like such an oxy-moron???
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 05:55 pm |
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Quoting CANLI:
You are talking about us 'veiled women' as if we are diseases or something.
Women have the right to wear whatever they want,as long as they dont cover themselves!
İ understand now what do you mean about democracy,Thank you ! |
You obviously did not read everything I wrote. I nowhere said anything that implied I think of veiled women as a disease. I think you see us western people to be so, and therefore think I am that way too.
My ideas of writing were different than you understood, but as I was not able to explain to MrX so why bother again.
And I think the rule in Turkey that women cant wear veils in public buildings ridiculous. It is like saying at the entrance of university that you can't enter as a woman with blue eyes, but as a man you can. But the things I said had nothing to do with my OWN point of view on democracy and religion and that is exactly where I take offence in your unthoughtful message to me.
And for your information, one of my closest friends in Turkey was a veiled girl. Sometimes even she did her namaz in my livingroom after I provided her with water and a towel. So please dont call me prejudiced or non-democratical, because you are talking to the wrong person.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:34 pm |
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Will the election result fuel even more violence from the VKGB?
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:39 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Will the election result fuel even more violence from the VKGB? |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:42 pm |
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goverments for keep and save to human rights,not for restrict with some suppositions..
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:47 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: Quoting aenigma x: Will the election result fuel even more violence from the VKGB? |
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Yes, the Power Unity of Patriotic Forces Movement - don't you know them? The extreme right nationalists who murdered journalist Hrant Dink.
The members of this movement were charged with 40 different misdoings that vary from assassination to forgery and child pornography. Nationalism at its most proud!
You telling me you never heard of this?
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=77883
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:53 pm |
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well,Turkey had a few some unlucky and sad experiences in a short past,but i think results of this election will bring more stability for Turkish democracy.And not easy to block all illegal organizations,sure our great republic capable to creat peace&defence itself from all provacations...
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:55 pm |
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Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I didn't expect the AK Parti to lose in the elections. The big question in my mind was how much they would gain. The fact that they did not get over 50% of the votes and do not have enough votes in Parliament to act alone is a victory for Turkey and security for secularism. The AK Parti now needs to act responsibly and put forward a candidate for President that will receive the necessary votes to govern.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:57 pm |
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Quoting MrX67: well,Turkey had a few some unlucky and sad experiences in a short past,but i think results of this election will bring more stability for Turkish democracy.And not easy to block all illegal organizations,sure our great republic capable to creat peace&defence itself from all provacations... |
Well, I certainly wish I shared your optimism MrX67 . Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
Unfortunately, having read the recent posts from yourself and your countrymen lately, I think we will have a long wait
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 07:59 pm |
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Keith
CONFUSED! I thought you worked for CNNTurk ...? They had great accurate coverage of the elections.
Ak Party can act on their own for all things except for changes to the Constitution. Out of 550 seats they have around 340. This is more than 50% needed for most laws. Need 2/3 for change to constitution and they dont have that.
See the other thread about election results that started last night, that seems a much more grown up discussion than this one, which has degenerated into a slanging match.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:00 pm |
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i believe that AKP administrators will act in a big responsbility,and they will do their bests for hugs each part of Turkish people,and they will never use this big political power in a wrong way for don't creat new crisis and caos..
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:04 pm |
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I work for a very large Turkish engineering firm actually, not CNN.
Again, I don't think anyone expected AK Parti to lose its control of Parliament. So it was a matter if they would pick up seats. In fact, they lost 27 seats, so this is what I find encouraging.
The change in Constitutional Amendments are the items I feel were most important. They lost ground in their attempt to make these changes so this is why I feel comfortable with the outcome.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:09 pm |
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Keith
Thanks for the clarification ... your profile lists your home page as CNNTurk ...! Can I call on you if I have any engineering problems???
Even if we exclude constitutional changes, a government can ensure a whole raft of policies become law. Their vote increased the reduction in seats came from MHP crossing the barrage this time.
As foreigners we just have to hope for the best outcome for Turkey in all of this.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:19 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
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Who's he?
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:54 pm |
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Could it be Orphan himself? Hmm, I wonder which city I might find the lad in. Oops, I meant man. See all of you Brits here, I'm now using "lad" in my speech. 
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 08:57 pm |
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Hi
I know this is a forum for learning Turkish, but can I teach you some more Brit-speak?
How about "bloke" - like a "lad", but a bit older!
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 09:04 pm |
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Yesterday, I saw a show with Kathy Griffin a comedian who went to London to perform. She was given a list of words, she could not say in her act. When she asked some of the producers what they meant, they didn't know either. So, now I have learned a new word today "bloke". 
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 10:33 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting MrX67: well,Turkey had a few some unlucky and sad experiences in a short past,but i think results of this election will bring more stability for Turkish democracy.And not easy to block all illegal organizations,sure our great republic capable to creat peace&defence itself from all provacations... |
Well, I certainly wish I shared your optimism MrX67 . Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
Unfortunately, having read the recent posts from yourself and your countrymen lately, I think we will have a long wait |
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:01 pm |
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Türkiye elections does not interest foreigners, you look after your countries.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:27 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting aenigma x: Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
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Who's he? |
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. I am still trying to finish one of his books, about 9 months after I started it, and have read several others (not by him) in the meantime.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:31 pm |
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For sure Turkey's elections interest foreigners. And it will go on to be like that as long as Turkey is a part of that globe.. -1 Yilgun
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:33 pm |
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Quoting oeince: For sure Turkey's elections interest foreigners. And it will go on to be like that as long as Turkey is a part of that globe.. -1 Yilgun |
Yes maybe they interest us, only because we are interested in Turkey, but I think it is more of a case that it is non of our business. Same as any election in any country - it is the business of those who live there.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:38 pm |
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Quoting libralady:
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. I am still trying to finish one of his books, about 9 months after I started it, and have read several others (not by him) in the meantime. |
I think he's a good writer but I have to admit that I started one of his books and it waits to be finished for months
Quoting aenigma x: Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
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I did not know he was in exile in the USA, because there's no restriction for him to come to Turkey and maybe he's in Turkey, I thought he was in İstanbul. The trial dropped in 2006.
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:42 pm |
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Actually i dont think so. If there is an election in a country whom an other country has relations with other countries citizens directly effects of the results. Like Turkish citizens are being effected by Germany's,UK's,USA's France',Armenia's,Greece's,Eastern Cyprus',Iraq's,Russia's,Iran's..........and all others. Together with that foreigners joining that site interest with Turkey & Travel to Turkey evan move to Turkey..What can be more normal than wondering about elections for those foreigners?
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:50 pm |
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hemşerim, ben de eski manisalıyım.nasıl manisa değişti mi, gediz nehri, spil dağı, akhisar yolu, bağlar, izmir yolu, şehir nüfusu, salihli, turgutlu nasıl?havalar nasıl, oradada su sıkıntısı var mı?
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23 Jul 2007 Mon 11:53 pm |
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Quoting mltm: Quoting libralady:
Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. I am still trying to finish one of his books, about 9 months after I started it, and have read several others (not by him) in the meantime. |
I think he's a good writer but I have to admit that I started one of his books and it waits to be finished for months
Quoting aenigma x: Your country's best selling novelist may be able to return from his exile in the US some day - who knows?
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I did not know he was in exile in the USA, because there's no restriction for him to come to Turkey and maybe he's in Turkey, I thought he was in İstanbul. The trial dropped in 2006. |
Not saying he is not a good author - just a boring one (in my opinion)! I also read he is exile in the USA but maybe the only person who knows where Orhan Pamuk is is he himself!
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:02 am |
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From the official Orhan Pamuk site: www.orhanpamuk.net
Apart from three years in New York, Orhan Pamuk has spent all his life in the same streets and district of Istanbul, and he now lives in the building where he was raised. Pamuk has been writing novels for 30 years and never done any other job except writing. His books have been translated into more than 40 languages.
i.e. he currently lives in Nişantaşı, Istanbul
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:17 am |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: Keith
Thanks for the clarification ... your profile lists your home page as CNNTurk ...! Can I call on you if I have any engineering problems???
Even if we exclude constitutional changes, a government can ensure a whole raft of policies become law. Their vote increased the reduction in seats came from MHP crossing the barrage this time.
As foreigners we just have to hope for the best outcome for Turkey in all of this. |
The next time you are constructing a power generation facility, let me know and I will give you a great discount.
Erdogan has been in power for years now. There was no real protest to his governing until he decided to attempt to become President. This is a constitutaional item. So I do not have a problem with AK Parti as long as they leave the constitution alone.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:31 am |
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Quoting libralady: Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. |
I take it as you read only Istanbul, that being the first book you read from his hand? It is a more tough read than all the others I have read, which are most definitely not boring. Istanbul is beautifully written, but I get why some people would get bored from his looong monologues.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:32 pm |
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Quoting Deli_kizin: Quoting libralady: Orhan Pamuk! An extraordinarliy boring author............. |
I take it as you read only Istanbul, that being the first book you read from his hand? It is a more tough read than all the others I have read, which are most definitely not boring. Istanbul is beautifully written, but I get why some people would get bored from his looong monologues. |
You are right! It is so melancholy (his words, not mine ) I am determined to finish it, but I fall asleep after a few pages 
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 12:54 pm |
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Bridget is right.Orhan Pamuk is a good novelist but not best novelist in Türkiye.We have too many excellent novelist and poets in the country.World readers must explore them...
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:04 pm |
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Quoting yilgun-7: We have too many excellent novelist and poets in the country.World readers must explore them... |
I completely agree with you. I recently read İnce Memed by Yaşar Kemal and I am hooked! Wonderful.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:10 pm |
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About Orhan Pamuk being the best known in the world: my (humble) personal opinion is a large part of his success is his translator Maureen Freely. That lady is great! Daughter of author and lecturer John Freely, of Bosphorus University, she was born and brought up in Turkey and understands Turkey, the language, and the foreigner's point of view well. She is also an author in her own right (see Enlightened, a new novel by her set in Istanbul).
He got a great translator, who has a really good style, and then got really famous abroad. The UK publisher is currently getting her to re-translate some of his earlier books.
This is an important message for other top authors such as Buket Uzuner, Ahmet Ãœmit etc, whose translations often are not great. Also for the Culture Ministry who sponsor translations to be done by university professors: the results are a style of English that English people find soooooo boring.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:20 pm |
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Reading, understanding and appreciating Orhan Pamuk is not an easy task...most of his work is symbolic and allegorical.
Some of you may have red his book " My name is Red". What is the hidden message in this title, if any?
Any educated guesses?
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:22 pm |
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Unfortunately we have no good translators for novels and poems enough in the country at the present time.Good translators have remained in the past...
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 01:22 pm |
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Well I read several of hıs books, translated in Dutch by different translators, and I just love it. He has his own unique style of writing. And though I loved the book İstan bul too and though I sometimes have that melancholy feeling too, İ agree it is used maybe a bit too much in İstanbul-book, but who knows what that city does to a lifetime
And I completely agree with Aenigma, İnce Memed is BRİLLİANT. But thats the way I thınk about Yaşar Kemal anyhow. Reading his book Deniz Küstü now. He definetely deserves a nobelprice.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 10:26 pm |
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Quoting MarioninTurkey: About Orhan Pamuk being the best known in the world: my (humble) personal opinion is a large part of his success is his translator Maureen Freely. That lady is great! Daughter of author and lecturer John Freely, of Bosphorus University, she was born and brought up in Turkey and understands Turkey, the language, and the foreigner's point of view well. She is also an author in her own right (see Enlightened, a new novel by her set in Istanbul).
He got a great translator, who has a really good style, and then got really famous abroad. The UK publisher is currently getting her to re-translate some of his earlier books.
This is an important message for other top authors such as Buket Uzuner, Ahmet Ãœmit etc, whose translations often are not great. Also for the Culture Ministry who sponsor translations to be done by university professors: the results are a style of English that English people find soooooo boring.
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Hi Marion,
I've read all of his books with the exception of the Black Book, which I will read as soon as I finish The Passionate Nomad, the life of Freya Stark. I have to disagree with you regarding the translations of Ms.Freely. Although she is a wonderful translator, Guneli Gun translated New Life, which I found facinating, Erdag Goknar translated My Name is Red.....and his work still held up quite well.
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24 Jul 2007 Tue 11:40 pm |
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Yes, unfortunately, we have no good translators for novels and poems enough in the world countries at the present time.Because we are living in the science and technology century.because the average cultural level of the people in this world is very low.Because women dont like poetry mostly.Because people dont like intellectual people.Because people dont find enough time to read.So the century for literature is passing away or vanishing.
Translating requires worldwide literary experience, hardworking, high level linguistics for at least two languages,high level historical and social background, fluency in written, self-motivated, sociable personality with effective novelist qualities, min 15 years of relevant experience in translating and diploma of tranlating...
This is my opinion.
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11 Sep 2008 Thu 05:37 pm |
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Yilgun, may I congratulate you on your excellent English and comments. Bravo!
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