Is it ‘erkek’ or ‘ekmek’ that I want?



“Inek var” or “inecek var”? When we are learning a second language it is easy to confuse words that have totally different meanings. If you have a funny experience, drop me a note. I would love to hear your story. When I was first learning Turkish I was trying to practice what I was learning in the classroom. This can be dangerous.
In the late 1970s in İstanbul I was in a crowded three-seater 1950s Chevrolet -- yes, it had the capacity to seat nine passengers! (Transportation has come a long way: the dolmuş -- shared taxi -- today seats many more much more comfortably and has air conditioning) I was sitting in the very back with my head bent forward, because in the very back seat if you were average height or taller you could not sit up straight. I knew we were approaching my destination, Şişli Square. I always dread having to shout to the driver that I want out, but this time if I wanted to get out I had to. I worked up the courage and shouted, “Inek var!” Boy, did I cause a commotion. Everybody was looking everywhere for the cow. I had said “there is a cow!” I should have said, “İnecek var!” (I would like to get out) Even back then -- nearly three decades ago -- you would not see a cow in Şişli.

Many Turks know English grammar usage better than native speakers. I felt flattered when I received a letter in nearly perfect English from a Turk. Ayla who lives in the US had a grammar question for me.

Ayla from Memphis, Tennessee, wrote to me and asked: Could you share some insight on the proper usage of the words “affect” and effect”?

I was so pleased to be able to answer this question. Being the ex-English teacher that I am, I could not resist providing Ayla with some examples: the misuse of the words “affect” and “effect” is such an epidemic that some folks are considering assembling regional support groups to deal with the problem. But while the words are often used incorrectly, they aren’t as tough to keep straight as you may think.

“Affect” is generally used as a verb: the eye-patch affected my vision.

“Effect” on the other hand, is almost exclusively used as a noun: acting like a pirate has had a negative effect on my social life.

So the basic rule of thumb is that “affect” is almost always a verb and “effect” is usually a noun. There are deviations from this, but when in doubt, stick to the rule. If you need help remembering, think of this mnemonic device: The action is affect, the end result is effect.

I always felt sorry for the Turkish students who were studying English and would ask very sensible questions about the sentence construction and often, the only explanation about the English point raised is that it is an exception to the rule. The Turkish language originates from an area that stretches between the Ural and Altay mountain ranges (former Soviet Central Asia). Turkish is an amazingly logical language. The language is regular, with very few exceptions to the rules and only one irregular verb (the verb “to be”).

Unlike French or German, there are no grammatical genders. The pronouns “he,” “she,” and “it” are all the same.

But we foreigners can be tripped up by the fact that sentence construction is the opposite of English, e.g. “school-to go-I.”

Turkish adds “agglutinative suffixes” -- endings added to a stem word to make a longer word. In fact, you could say that Turks are people of few words but lots of suffixes!

The English sentence “It appears that he said that he would be unable to come” is just two words in Turkish! (Gelemeyeceğine söylemiş

When you begin to study Turkish, it will seem overwhelming. Laugh at your mistakes and learn from them. In my early days I asked the shopkeeper for a man (erkek), instead of bread (ekmek). To make it worse, I asked for fresh bread -- or so I thought!

Just persevere and don’t be too hard on yourself. We may mix the suffixes and confuse the words, but pity the poor foreigner learning English. Amongst other things they must determine: Is it an irregular or regular verb? Is “herbs” pronounced the British way with an aitch, or the American way without one? Is it “effect” or “affect”? Is it “thru” or “through”...?

İyi çalışmalar! Enjoy studying!

CHARLOTTE MCPHERSON,todayszaman

“It appears that he said that he would be unable to come” is just two words in Turkish! (Gelemeyeceğini söylemiş..

I LIKE THIS GAME,
ANYBODY WANT TO TRY

"It appears that he said that he might not be able to come"
or
"gelebilecekmiymisim?

lol! gr8 article

In the book 'Tales from an expat Harem' there is another great example: a woman who ordered for years domates çorap instead of domates çorba..... (wasn't me, but could have been....

Ok, Ok if it is confession time ....

I learned şekerli = with sugar and şekersiz= without sugar
I learned tuzlu = with salt and tuzsuz = without salt.

A guy asked me if I was evli. I knew this meant married, but didn't know the word for single.

Yes, you guessed it, in front of all my Turkish friends I told him I was evsiz = homeless!

well, learning a language is always fun!

the çorap çorba thing happened to me too. I told my Kaynana, "Senin beyaz çorap çok guzel!" Yeah...her white socks were really nice but her white soup is much better! I also sing a Tarkan funny based on the Turkish words I know. DuDu ...and he might ride a horse we don't know.

OHHHH...OHHWAYYOoOOOO,OHHWAYYOoOOOO Ata biniyor....Owayoo

It works with the music try it!

This is an unnecessary game. Some words also in english need more than one words in Turkish translations.




"overarch"
-uzerinde kemer meydana getirecek sekilde egmek

"gerrymandered district"

-bir siyasi partinin menfaatine uygun gelecek sekilde ayarlama yapilan bolge.

"overarch"
-uzerinde kemer meydana getirecek sekilde egmek

overarch kelimesinin senin anladigin manada karsiligi Turkcede 'kemerlenmek"tir

Huge trees overarched the pathway.
Buyuk agaclar patika uzerinde kemerlenmisti.

muhtemelen "kemerlenmişti" kelimesini ilk kullanan kişi olarak tarihe geçeceksin.

google a , "kemerlendi" "kemerlenmek" "kemerlenmişti"

yazarsan "sıfır" sonuç çıktığını görürsün.

- www.tdk.org
"kemerlenmek sözü bulunamadı."

İcat ettiğin kelimenin patenti için başvuru yapabilirsin, tamamen orjinal ve sana ait, hiç bir telif sorunu çıkmayacaktır.

Saygılar

Benim Turkcem google Turkcesi degil...daha eskilere dayaniyor.

"kemerlenmek" is a good word anyway, at least it is to me.

Isnt Erkek - Man, & Ekmek - bread

*Confused*

i remember a few years ago i was in turkiye and saw a beautiful butterfly, and turned to the captain on the boat and said,look! cok guzel tereyağ sinek

Hmmm,
Aslında fena bir tartışma gibi gözükmüyor, ancak insanlar birbirlerine biraz soğuk davranıyor gibi.

Az önce aklıma gelen bir kelimeyi TDK'da arayıverdim.

sıkılanmak(nsz) : Sıkılama işi yapılmak.

sıkılamak(-i)

1 . Sıkı duruma getirmek.
2 . Sıkıştırmak.
3 . Dolma tüfek, tabanca vb. ateşli silahları ağızdan doldurup sıkıştırmak.
4 . İyice tembih etmek.
5 . mecaz Bunaltmak.
6 . mecaz Zorlamak.

Bu durumda sıkılanmak kelimesi TDK sözlüğüne girmiş ve dilimizde yerini almış görünüyor, değil mi ?

Bir örnek verirsek :
Tabanca sıkılandı. --> Bunu kaç kişi anlayabilir ?
ya da
Bana sıkılandığı gibi hareket etmedim. --> ??

Türkçenin güçlü ve zayıf yanı soneklere bağlı bir dil olması. Böylelikle kelimelere istediğimiz ekleri istediğimiz zaman getirebiliyoruz. Tabi ki yazım kurallarına bağlı olarak.
sık-ı-la-n-mak gibi

Bu durumda kemerlenmek gayet uygun bir kelime gibi gözüküyor. TDK'da yer almamış olması da TDK'nın ayıbı bence.
Her ne kadar TDK saygın bir kurum olsa da, dili dil yapanlar o dili kullanan insanlardır.

Konuştuğumuz dil bir bilgisayar dili değildir.
Bilgisayar dillerinde programda olmayan bir komutu kullanamayız, bilgisayar bunu anlayamaz.
Ancak, konuştuğumuz dile, kendi bilgimiz düzeyinde, yeni kelimeler eklemekte serbestiz. Sonekleri kullanarak neredeyse sınırsız sayıda yeni sözcük üretebiliriz.
Ve bu sınırsız sayıda diye nitelendirdirdiğim sözcüklerin hepsinin TDK sözlüğünde yer almamış olması, dolayısıyla aradığımızda sonuç çıkmaması o sözcüğün yanlış olduğu anlamına da gelmez bence.

İnternet tanrısı diyebileceğimiz GOOGLE efendinin ne kadar bilgili olduğu gayet tartışılır. Henüz gelecekten haber veremiyor mesela.
Bir dizinleme motoru olan Google'ın dünyadaki herşeyi listesine eklediği savı da oldukça su götürür. Doğru bilgilere ulaşılabildiği gibi pek ala yanlış bilgilere de yönlendiriliverebiliyoruz.

Dolayısıyla bir kelimenin Google'a bakarak doğru veya yanlış olduğuna karar verilmesi pek uygun bir yöntem değil.

Neyse, gayet uzun oldu bu.
Selamlar.

BIRISI YAZDI
Böyle bir kelime varsa da terim olabilir, mesela mimarlıkta "kemer"le alakalı bir şey.

AlphaF BIYIK ALTINDAN GULDU
Google da oturan vatandas, "kollarin sevgilinin belinde kemerlenmesi" ne demek bilir mi?


Bilmeyenler daha mutevazi olurlarsa, baska ornekler de veririm.

Sapik kelimesimi size iade ediyorum...belinize kemerleyin, yakisir...

kemerlemek (i) ciltçilikte dikişten sonra kitabın sırtına yuvarlak bir biçim vermek
in the work of bookbinding (it means)making the back of a book round after it is stitched