Quoting elham:

Iran does not have the right to develop nuclear program but Israel has this right,that's only in American law !!!acep
we all know that Israiel owns most stocks and installations of weapons of mass destruction in the Middle East region, and there are most of the headquarters of Israel's ability nuclear weapons and chemical and biological . Israel intends to build another nuclear reactor off, the report says the Center for Strategic Studies in London: that Israel has research and manufacturing capabilities, for the production of mustard and nerve gas in (Nistona) at a distance of 12 miles south of Tel Aviv :-S

Quoting femme_fatal:

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having no ally or no supporter in case of an attack

Quoting femme_fatal:

dear handsome,
i know you are brainwashed with a storm of anti bush or anti israel propaganda. what you speak is very naive.
in order to speak on issue of israel contra the neighbourhood you have to study about israel and its long history.

as for me i trust usa or france or israel, i believe they wouldnt attack my country.

as for iran... theres no base to trust.
so its about north korea.

Quoting catwoman:

Alfie is known for his "special" sources of information, not available for regular mortals.

Quoting thehandsom:

You are marvelous femme..

Quoting thehandsom:

I quite like know what you know about Israel and its long history. May be we should make it short and take it from the WW1. it will be easier for you to explain and easier for us to understand.

Quoting thehandsom:

I can completely 'understand' your trust to usa and not iran:

Quoting thehandsom:

Iran was the country used the first ever atomic bomb;Iran invaded vietnam; Iran invaded afghanistan; Iran invaded Iraq and got nearly a million poeple killed!

Quoting thehandsom:

Of course israel is another trust worthy country as they always complied with UN resolutions; they never attacked any country; they dont illegally occupy anywhere in the world!

Quoting thehandsom:

Please reverse brain wash me!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting elham:

Israel is a spoiled child can not refuse its request by USA ,this is the important reason only
isn't it?,my friend femme a broad mind

Quoting femme_fatal:

i know your english gets better suddenly when you copy and paste from "anti-anti all" web pages.
i couldnt understand your point.
thanks

Quoting elham:

Quote:

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Its leaders have repeatedly called for Israel's demise and have propagated base anti-Semitism, including the denial of the Holocaust.

Quoting AlphaF:

I dont think even Israel would want mess with AlphaF,

Quoting AlphaF:

Can anyone here explain what lands are included in Judaic belief "The promised land"?

Quoting AlphaF:

You both got the point Ladies !
It is not easy to defend that little peaceful country called Israel.

Quoting AlphaF:

You both got the point Ladies !

Quoting AlphaF:

I think Aenigma is the brighter of the two....She got the point, alright !

Quoting AEnigma III:

Did you notice that you didn't already have an opinion, Catwoman, you just "got his point"

Quoting AEnigma III:

Maybe one day YOU will get the point Alpha

Quoting AEnigma III:

It's really annoying to admit it, but I completely agree with you Handsom

Try to ensure it doesn't happen again!

Quoting catwoman:

Why are we friends with Saudi Arabia?

Quoting AlphaF:

check the Judaic books...That is what worries me !

Quoting AlphaF:

check the Judaic books...That is what worries me !

Quoting AlphaF:

Exactly Alameda .. LET us all cut the crap and understand what Israil really is !

Quoting AlphaF:

I agree with most of your post Alameda !
Surprised? )))))))))))))

Quoting AlphaF:

I agree with most of your post Alameda !
Surprised? )))))))))))))

Good news is, as indicated by NIE report I posted,
resistance is booming against the current mighty NeoCon lobby, both within the Democrats as well as Republicans. A strong group of Americans are now fed up with the "spoiled child" act of Israel and the unlimited backing they get from USA. People have started asking if USA is in existence for Americans or for Israel.

A real peaceful solution for Palestinians still seems very far away, if not totally impossible. The real issue is the boundaries of the "PROMISED LAND".

Quoting excalibur89:

It is not only the U.S.A and Israel that do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iraq and Turkey would feel comfortable with Iran having such weapons at their disposal? Especially since The leader of Iran is blinded by his religion.
I sit back and laugh when the leader of Iran puffs his chest out, He should ask Muammar Quadafi, Manuel Noriega, and Saddam Hussein what it is like to threaten the U.S.A.
We did not Take over Libya,We did not take over panama, and we have not taken over Iraq, The Iraqi government is slowly showing the world how much better life is without a butcher like saddam hussein.Make no mistake about it we will not and cannot tolerate radical leaders of ANY religion.
So for those who believe that the U.S.A. is anti Islam you are extremly wrong, The U.S.A embraces muslims as it does believers of all faiths.

Quoting alameda:

Not really AlphF, You seem to be a thoughtful, reasonable and educated person.

Quoting AlphaF:

My popularity ratings are rapidly increasing...Makes sense, no?

Quoting AlphaF:

American success in Iraq should not be measured by current welfare of Iraqi people.

US goal was to divide up Iraq into pieces and the mission is accomplished. Sad to say, but US seems currently on target.

But the game is not over yet.

Quoting AlphaF:

Forgive my views elham, I did not want to offend you in any way, please dont bother to wake up !....good luck with the democracy Americans brought to your country.

Quoting excalibur89:

It is not only the U.S.A and Israel that do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iraq and Turkey would feel comfortable with Iran having such weapons at their disposal? Especially since The leader of Iran is blinded by his religion.
I sit back and laugh when the leader of Iran puffs his chest out, He should ask Muammar Quadafi, Manuel Noriega, and Saddam Hussein what it is like to threaten the U.S.A.
We did not Take over Libya,We did not take over panama, and we have not taken over Iraq, The Iraqi government is slowly showing the world how much better life is without a butcher like saddam hussein.Make no mistake about it we will not and cannot tolerate radical leaders of ANY religion.
So for those who believe that the U.S.A. is anti Islam you are extremly wrong, The U.S.A embraces muslims as it does believers of all faiths.

Quoting AlphaF:

Catwoman, I honestly think your attidude will soon leave you out of all discussions here...People do not like insults here, and you dont have a single intellectual clue, do you?

Quoting teaschip1:

Quoting Elisabeth:

.......The belief that you are the only intelligent and worthy person to discuss issues is a sign of dellusional thinking...I think there is medicine for it.

Quoting alameda:

Quoting thehandsom:

You have an amazing historical knowledge and an 'interesting way of interpretation of history' femme..

Quoting thehandsom:

First of all vietnam.. Of course the reason was the cold war.

Quoting thehandsom:

But who killed over 2.000.000 (2 MILLION) civilians (with napalms and etc)?

Quoting thehandsom:

What can be a good excuse to kill civilians?

Quoting thehandsom:

Was it CCCP?
When Afghanistan was occupied after 9/11 was there a cold war? what was the excuse this time? I think over 10.000 people got killed (nobody counts the dead anyway)

Quoting thehandsom:

What about Iraq? simply just wrong intelligence? as simple as that? 1.000.000 people got killed there and 4 million refugees!!

Quoting thehandsom:

About Israel..
Do you have an idea how many palestinian people got killed since 2000?
Look at the table:

Can you see the number of children killed since 2000?
119 israeli children to 971 palestinian
can you see the number of civilians killed there?
704 israeli to 2043 palestinian.

Quoting thehandsom:

'israel never threatened any country, all it does is a defence. it has no choice'.
Do you really call this defence?
Who invaded Labenon? where are those settlers are occupying?
is Westbank part of israel? Are they legal?

Quoting thehandsom:

Do you know how many UN resolutions Israel did not comply?
List is here
Do you know how many UN resolutions Iraq did not comply?

Quoting thehandsom:

'jews dont occupy illegally any place unlike ottomans who occupied the place for 400 years.'
Are you REALLY suggesting that creation of israel was legal?
Even BRITISH accepts it was a historical mistake!!

Quoting thehandsom:

So Ottoman occupation was illegal but israel's is not? haha..

Quoting thehandsom:

Well, with the same logic, america was occupied illegally too, so as australia..

Quoting thehandsom:

You have an amazing historical knowledge and an 'interesting way of interpretation of history' femme..
First of all vietnam.. Of course the reason was the cold war.
But who killed over 2.000.000 (2 MILLION) civilians (with napalms and etc)?
What can be a good excuse to kill civilians? Was it CCCP?
When Afghanistan was occupied after 9/11 was there a cold war? what was the excuse this time? I think over 10.000 people got killed (nobody counts the dead anyway)
What about Iraq? simply just wrong intelligence? as simple as that? 1.000.000 people got killed there and 4 million refugees!!
About Israel..
Do you have an idea how many palestinian people got killed since 2000?
Look at the table:

Can you see the number of children killed since 2000?
119 israeli children to 971 palestinian
can you see the number of civilians killed there?
704 israeli to 2043 palestinian.
"israel never threatened any country, all it does is a defence. it has no choice".
Do you really call this defence?
Who invaded Labenon? where are those settlers are occupying?
is Westbank part of israel? Are they legal?

Do you know how many UN resolutions Israel did not comply?
List is here
Do you know how many UN resolutions Iraq did not comply?

"jews dont occupy illegally any place unlike ottomans who occupied the place for 400 years."
Are you REALLY suggesting that creation of israel was legal?
Even BRITISH accepts it was a historical mistake!!
So Ottoman occupation was illegal but israel's is not? haha..
Well, with the same logic, america was occupied illegally too, so as australia..

Quoting excalibur89:

My turkish friend "thehandsome" seems intent on expressing his anti american views, can you express those views in Iran? or in Iraq when Saddam was in power? I'm sure feedom of speech is quite popular with the Taliban "NOT!" North Korea would be a fun place to express your views. To criticize those areas from within their own borders would most definitely result in some sort of physical discomfort!Yet you can come to the U.S.A. and curse the government aloud, even burn it's flag which is protected by the U.S. constitution then go have lunch when you are all done expressing your views.Join a protest in China and see how fast your day gets ruined.I am assuming you are in Turkey, Dont hate the U.S.A too much, If it werent for the U.S. military presence in Turkey all these years you just might be speaking russian right now.

Quoting thehandsom:

femme, I hope you are not a history teacher or a teacher tries to teach logic to students
Ok Ok
I will try to simplfy it for you (because I am getting quite dissapointed here)

Where is Vietnam? (in asia)
where is USA (in north america)?
What is the distance between USA and vietnam? (thousands of miles)
what do you call a country leaves from its own soil and lands on another country's soil with its army? (it is called invaders)
A simple logic here femme!! USA in that conflict is called the 'invading country'.
And the result of invasion is huge number of civilian dead. Millions of civilian deads.
You can not just say 'ah the real reason many died is eastern mentality' and get away with it!!
Even if you tell this to your childeren in a simply way, they will ask you ' ama ama mom, dont you think if USA army did not invade there would not be millions of civilians dead?'
I am sure when they learn how much napalm was used in that war and how many civilians burnt alive, they will ask more different questions!!

when it comes to Iraq war:
where is IRAQ? (in middle east)
where is USA ? (see above! )
what is the distance between usa and iraq (again thousand of miles)
Was Iraq a thread to europe or usa (not really, never!!)
what happened there usa? army invaded iraq.(then of course removed the army, removed the government)
The result of the invasion?( so far) 1 million dead.4 million displaced.
You can not say femme 'trained terrorists bombing everywhere, they are responsible' and get away with it.
Your childeren will turn around ask 'ama ama, if the usa army did not invade, there would not be 1 million dead and 4 million displaced'
And again, I am sure when they learn in depth, they will ask 'ama ama, is it true that shooting is not the only way to kill people? is it true that even before the invasion sunctions killed 500.000 iraqi childeren every year?'

About Israel:
Actually, the number of childeren and civilians got killed speak for themselves.
119 israeli to 971 palestinians (childeren)
700 israeli to 2000 plastinians (civilians)
And you are the first person calling westbank settlers legal (even Ariel Sharon could not say it. )
ve ve
legality of Israel, mandated by great britan etc (I was reading this really funny book from yalcin peksen and laughing a lot..I wont be reading it tonight..I had enough laugh )

Quoting excalibur89:

My turkish friend "thehandsome" seems intent on expressing his anti american views, can you express those views in Iran? or in Iraq when Saddam was in power? I'm sure feedom of speech is quite popular with the Taliban "NOT!" North Korea would be a fun place to express your views. To criticize those areas from within their own borders would most definitely result in some sort of physical discomfort!Yet you can come to the U.S.A. and curse the government aloud, even burn it's flag which is protected by the U.S. constitution then go have lunch when you are all done expressing your views.Join a protest in China and see how fast your day gets ruined.I am assuming you are in Turkey, Dont hate the U.S.A too much, If it werent for the U.S. military presence in Turkey all these years you just might be speaking russian right now.

Quoting excalibur89:

thehandsome

You say if the the russians invaded it would be "your problem", you are missing the point. The U.S. doesnt want it to be your problem.We dont mind taking on the responsibility to see that countries do not get overtaken by conquering governments. We have not invaded and taken control of lands. We have not and will not do what the ottoman empire,persian empire,roman empire and the british empire's have done in past history. Your obvious dislike for the U.S. is blurring your judgement. Ataturk embraced the west and so should you.

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting excalibur89:

Is that why there is a south korea today? If we were as blood thirsty as you think we would have taken the north.

Quoting thehandsom:

femme, I hope you are not a history teacher or a teacher tries to teach logic to students
Ok Ok
I will try to simplfy it for you (because I am getting quite dissapointed here)

Quoting thehandsom:

Where is Vietnam? (in asia)
where is USA (in north america)?
What is the distance between USA and vietnam? (thousands of miles)
what do you call a country leaves from its own soil and lands on another country's soil with its army? (it is called invaders)
A simple logic here femme!! USA in that conflict is called the 'invading country'.

Quoting thehandsom:

And the result of invasion is huge number of civilian dead. Millions of civilian deads.

Quoting thehandsom:

You can not just say 'ah the real reason many died is eastern mentality' and get away with it!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Even if you tell this to your childeren in a simply way, they will ask you ' ama ama mom, dont you think if USA army did not invade there would not be millions of civilians dead?'
I am sure when they learn how much napalm was used in that war and how many civilians burnt alive, they will ask more different questions!!

Quoting thehandsom:

when it comes to Iraq war:
where is IRAQ? (in middle east)
where is USA ? (see above! )
what is the distance between usa and iraq (again thousand of miles)

Quoting thehandsom:

Was Iraq a thread to europe or usa (not really, never!!)

Quoting thehandsom:

what happened there usa? army invaded iraq.(then of course removed the army, removed the government)
The result of the invasion?( so far) 1 million dead.4 million displaced.

Quoting thehandsom:

You can not say femme 'trained terrorists bombing everywhere, they are responsible' and get away with it.

Quoting thehandsom:

Your childeren will turn around ask 'ama ama, if the usa army did not invade, there would not be 1 million dead and 4 million displaced'
And again, I am sure when they learn in depth, they will ask 'ama ama, is it true that shooting is not the only way to kill people? is it true that even before the invasion sunctions killed 500.000 iraqi childeren every year?'

Quoting thehandsom:

About Israel:
Actually, the number of childeren and civilians got killed speak for themselves.
119 israeli to 971 palestinians (childeren)
700 israeli to 2000 plastinians (civilians)

Quoting thehandsom:

And you are the first person calling westbank settlers legal (even Ariel Sharon could not say it. )
ve ve

Quoting thehandsom:

legality of Israel, mandated by great britan etc (I was reading this really funny book from yalcin peksen and laughing a lot..I wont be reading it tonight..I had enough laugh )

Quoting AlphaF:

Both North Koreans and South Koreans are now seriously negotiating a reunion.

They have finally realised, that both sides have been royally screwed. Half a century lost for nothing !

Quoting AlphaF:

Evil USA sure tries...But,
1. People know better now,
2, There is also a good USA

Quoting excalibur89:

thehandsome

You say if the the russians invaded it would be "your problem", you are missing the point. The U.S. doesnt want it to be your problem.We dont mind taking on the responsibility to see that countries do not get overtaken by conquering governments. We have not invaded and taken control of lands. We have not and will not do what the ottoman empire,persian empire,roman empire and the british empire's have done in past history. Your obvious dislike for the U.S. is blurring your judgement. Ataturk embraced the west and so should you.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting excalibur89:

you really must stop getting your information from al jazeera.

Quoting Roswitha:

Alameda is right, expand your mind, read The Guardian, The Independent, and liberal newspaper Ha'retz often very critical of Isreal, DER SPIEGEL, Washington Post, Frankfurter Allgemeine, DIE ZEIT, DIE WELT, forget the Wall Stree Journal (very biased when it comes to Muslim topics)

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting teaschip1:

I agree Elisabeth, very liberal...

Quoting Elisabeth:

Some of these newspapers are very very liberal. I would not concider reading anything generated by news media as expanding your mind.

Quoting excalibur89:

Thehandsome uses a jewish poet for his defence! (alan ginsberg). that is beautiful.Will you be wearing a "I support alan ginsberg" shirt while you are protesting for a free palestine? you will definitely make the front page of the newspaper, haha

Quoting excalibur89:

should i mention that he was gay? you are really scraping the bottom of the barrell.

Quoting teaschip1:

If you really believe your statements above catwoman, you could say that about anything. Why have order or polices, let's throw moral and ethics out the door. Who is anyone to tell us how to live and keep our households. Why protest against men who are abusive to their wifes.. It's not our business. Tell me when it's right to interfere or not with other countries? When they need aid, trade but not diplomacy...Maybe when it has an impact on us...well of course that is pretty logical.

I just wonder if it wasn't for President Reagan, just how the Germans would be living now a days. The U.S. has done many positive things and I believe they out way the negative. When having to make difficult decisions at any level also comes the consequences of public outcry and disagreement. It's no popularity contest with the U.S. and yet we suffer and accept the consequences that come with it.

One thing I do agree with you is the hypocrisy of other countries who have invaded other countries for their personal gain, but have selective memory of their past.

Mother Theresa has a nice tune...

Quoting excalibur89:

Thehandsome uses a jewish poet for his defence! (alan ginsberg). that is beautiful.Will you be wearing a "I support alan ginsberg" shirt while you are protesting for a free palestine? you will definitely make the front page of the newspaper, haha

Quoting teaschip1:

The Ottoman Empire never committed war crimes and your beloved country is all about human rights too.

I love it when Turkey would like us to interfer with Northern Iraq and the PKK, they love no problems. It's called CONVENIENCE, handsome. Why does your government insist that the U.S. share real time intelligence with you, if they are so against help from the U.S.

We have every RIGHT to make descisions on behalf of our country, if it has an impact on us. That would be just as shallow to say TURKEY has no right to go after the PKK.

Quoting thehandsom:

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO INTERFERE!!!

Quoting thehandsom:

Whenever and whereever you go with your army, your country is commiting WAR CRIMES and crimes against humanity.

Quoting thehandsom:

And you are telling us 'THIS is making difficul decisions and consquences'. Phew!!!

Quoting thehandsom:

I never ever said that Ottomans DID NOT commit war crimes. And I am quite ashamed of my country's human rights records.

Quoting thehandsom:

Iraq is not your country..Share the intelligance or not..I dont care. I always said Turkey should not invade Northern Iraq.

Quoting thehandsom:

Yes. You made your decision about Iraq, because of the OIL. Everybody knows that Iraq was not a threat to USA.

Are you suggesting that because you need oil and oil has huge impact on you(r economy), so you have right to invade a country and get 1.000.000 million people killed?
As I said before: this is day time oil robbery.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Femme did you marry a bed amerikan
Did you convert to the amerikan dream?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

No chance of a Femme-Handsom wedding this year then

Quoting femme_fatal:

handsome, you are not serious! you are making fun, while i have a serious attitude to you.
i suggest you read a little bit more about wars and their origins, and of course about OIL before entering the discussion.
if you have nothing serious to say to me, go and have fun with exsalibur or teaschip.
EOT

Quoting thehandsom: