News articles, events, announcements |
Thread locked by a moderator or admin. |
|
|
|
|
IRAN-NUCLEAR WEAPONS-BUSH
|
| 40. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 01:58 am |
|
Exactly Alameda .. LET us all cut the crap and understand what Israil really is !
|
|
| 41. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 02:07 am |
|
Israeli God knows)))how dare you????
|
|
| 42. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 02:15 am |
|
I would not be sure Israeli god approves Israel.
Some really religious Jews are actually against the current STATE of Israel.
They figure the foundation of the sovereign state of Israel should have waited the arrival of Mesiah (whose whole purpose is to set up the Israeli state, anyway) and ask who the hell are the infidels that did not wait for Mesiah to arrive.
|
|
| 44. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 07:19 am |
|
Quoting AlphaF: Exactly Alameda .. LET us all cut the crap and understand what Israil really is ! |
This is not a simple issue AlphaF. Just what is Israel?
From my observation, Israel is a country made up of a greatly traumatized population. They have had a great damage done to their community for a long time. They underwent multiple attempts to exterminate them as a people, but they survived.
The situation of the Jews requires a great deal of compassion and understanding. Israel exists now, and has for several generations. They have a right to exist and prosper.
One has to admire the Jews ability to maintain themselves as a people for over 2,000 years without a country. They made sure they were educated and they have a unique ability to look out for one another. Can anyone blame them for this?
The problem is: what about the indigenous people? (the Palestinians) The settlers with their land confiscation expansionist policies, and others who keep stirring the pot.
There are many sane Israeli groups who want to make peace and develop a two or one state solution.
The Palestinians, in the words of a Palestinian friend of mine "have not missed the chance to make mistakes" One of their first errors was in joining with the British to fight against the Ottoman Empire based on promises made. Suicide bombers are another big mistake.
The Zionists, Instead of just "trusting" the British, they worked hard to get what they felt they needed, and they were successful.
I'm afraid the current policy of the "settlers" will in the end be very detrimental to the State of Israel.
Unfortunately, the Palestinians are being driven to madness. Being bitter and resentful will not help. It does not matter if one is right or not, if one works against ones objective by things like suicide bombing. The right is lost in that case.
I sympathize greatly for the people of Palestine, but they do need to develop better tactics and a real workable plan. The best thing for the Israelis would be to stop with the Wall, learn to live with their brothers in peace.....
Aahhh, I can dream and hope. I have hope for a better future, I have hope for peace.
|
|
| 45. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 08:10 am |
|
It is not only the U.S.A and Israel that do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iraq and Turkey would feel comfortable with Iran having such weapons at their disposal? Especially since The leader of Iran is blinded by his religion.
I sit back and laugh when the leader of Iran puffs his chest out, He should ask Muammar Quadafi, Manuel Noriega, and Saddam Hussein what it is like to threaten the U.S.A.
We did not Take over Libya,We did not take over panama, and we have not taken over Iraq, The Iraqi government is slowly showing the world how much better life is without a butcher like saddam hussein.Make no mistake about it we will not and cannot tolerate radical leaders of ANY religion.
So for those who believe that the U.S.A. is anti Islam you are extremly wrong, The U.S.A embraces muslims as it does believers of all faiths.
|
|
| 46. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 08:44 am |
|
I agree with most of your post Alameda !
Surprised? )))))))))))))
Good news is, as indicated by NIE report I posted,
resistance is booming against the current mighty NeoCon lobby, both within the Democrats as well as Republicans. A strong group of Americans are now fed up with the "spoiled child" act of Israel and the unlimited backing they get from USA. People have started asking if USA is in existence for Americans or for Israel.
A real peaceful solution for Palestinians still seems very far away, if not totally impossible. The real issue is the boundaries of the "PROMISED LAND".
|
|
| 47. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 09:04 am |
|
Quoting AlphaF: I agree with most of your post Alameda !
Surprised? ))))))))))))) |
Not really AlphF, You seem to be a thoughtful, reasonable and educated person. It IS a complicated mess, but then there could be a breakthrough in a flash....let's hope.
I suppose you have read Edward Said's work? Uri Avnery, Gush Shalom?
|
|
| 48. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 09:06 am |
|
Quoting AlphaF: I agree with most of your post Alameda !
Surprised? )))))))))))))
Good news is, as indicated by NIE report I posted,
resistance is booming against the current mighty NeoCon lobby, both within the Democrats as well as Republicans. A strong group of Americans are now fed up with the "spoiled child" act of Israel and the unlimited backing they get from USA. People have started asking if USA is in existence for Americans or for Israel.
A real peaceful solution for Palestinians still seems very far away, if not totally impossible. The real issue is the boundaries of the "PROMISED LAND".
|
Agreed....although I do think it is actually more complicated than that. It could be that Israel is being "used". Certainly the Christian Zionists do not have lovely end pictured for the Jews in Israel
In fact if you read some of the early proposals the function of Israel was exactly to function as a part of the "Empire". Let's not forget, it was greatly assisted by England in the start. It's too late to dig out that part, in all those documents, but it's there.
|
|
| 49. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 09:21 am |
|
That is also correct...But it is a course for the Master's program, not for our undergraduates. )))))))))))
|
|
| 50. |
06 Dec 2007 Thu 10:42 am |
|
Quoting excalibur89: It is not only the U.S.A and Israel that do not want Iran to have nuclear weapons. Do you really think Iraq and Turkey would feel comfortable with Iran having such weapons at their disposal? Especially since The leader of Iran is blinded by his religion.
I sit back and laugh when the leader of Iran puffs his chest out, He should ask Muammar Quadafi, Manuel Noriega, and Saddam Hussein what it is like to threaten the U.S.A.
We did not Take over Libya,We did not take over panama, and we have not taken over Iraq, The Iraqi government is slowly showing the world how much better life is without a butcher like saddam hussein.Make no mistake about it we will not and cannot tolerate radical leaders of ANY religion.
So for those who believe that the U.S.A. is anti Islam you are extremly wrong, The U.S.A embraces muslims as it does believers of all faiths.
|
This is interesting and quite arrogant!!
Who do you think you are to say that 'make no mistake'?
It is quite bulliesh!!
You just happen to be having many many weapons (of mass destructions) at this moment in history. And your arrogance (USA's arrogance) is NOT coming from you are more just or more right or anything.
What gives you right to talk about with such an arrogance is just your deadly weapons. That is all.
And History will judge it that way.
"The Iraqi government is slowly showing the world how much better life is without a butcher like saddam hussein."
What can you show in Iraq? almost one in every 20 people got killed because of you! One in every 5 people got displaced from their homes because of USA!
You call this a success? You are joking!! Right?
And about Iran. I hope you do not make a mistake over her. You will not be dealing with a country created 80-90 years ago..You will be dealing with people having history of 1000 years of persia.
You wont succeed. AND YOUR GOVERNMENT KNOWS IT!!
|
|
|
