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20 Dec 2007 Thu 12:56 am |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting zbrct: Yes, PKK is a terrorist organization. But why do Kurdish kids choose to be a rebel on the mountains and to die?
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dont pretend as if you dont know!
they are brainwashed by their parents/community. just like palestinian kids are sent against israeli tanks.
every nation/country brainwashes the citizens, some less and some extremely effective, telling them about patriotism.
Quoting zbrct: Turkey should solve the problems through social and economic reforms. Only then, the attacks against rebels will be legitimate. |
i think so too,
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free media and free (without brainwashing) education!
the nation must be freed from backward mentality. |
The Kurdish Question can never be solved through economic measures. Kurds dont ask for better salaries (at least not a priority for the ones who support PKK or DTP). and fascist social reforms would never work! |
boosting the economy of ireland has solved the problem.
a fascist social? a strange blend of ideologies 
but i agree with you to some extent, some problems are not solved easily, it takes a number of generations and number of victims.
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 12:56 am |
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Quoting azade: They rebel because they still, as we are approaching 2008, feel deprived of rights. The reason why a few of them chose to do it violently is probably (and sadly) that they constantly see that political attempts are a no win.
DTP is the how-manieth kurdish party they want to close now?
We surely need reforms that ensures democracy for everyone in Turkey and better education so that no one will want to (or feel the need to) join PKK in the future. |
I agree.. they took the leader of DTP under custody and attemot to close it. democracy is ok but education part I dont agree... Kurds are so literate and know how to live that they can teach all the world democracy and how to live in peace as humans. at least not an education in turkish within the turkish national education system.
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 12:58 am |
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Quote: Quoting kedycan:
al qaeda is not a terrorist group according to only western ideologies.
it is a terrorist org in the whole world except for islamic states. |
ah yes true sorry. not except for the islamic states. cos u know some muslim states under hegemony of bush or blair also decalred them terrorists. |
which particularly islamic states have recognised them as terrorists?
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:00 am |
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Quoting kedycan:
I agree.. they took the leader of DTP under custody and attemot to close it. democracy is ok but education part I dont agree... Kurds are so literate and know how to live that they can teach all the world democracy and how to live in peace as humans. at least not an education in turkish within the turkish national education system. |
what do they teach within turkish national education system?
how to be a devoted patriotic turk? 
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:00 am |
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boosting the economy of ireland has solved the problem.
a fascist social? a strange blend of ideologies
but i agree with you to some extent, some problems are not solved easily, it takes a number of generations and number of victims. |
u sure boosting the conomy solves everything? yes many may sell their honour to money. and many Kurds do that too. but to claim that its solution is in economy is blinding people to the truth!
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:01 am |
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Quoting kedycan: Quoting azade: They rebel because they still, as we are approaching 2008, feel deprived of rights. The reason why a few of them chose to do it violently is probably (and sadly) that they constantly see that political attempts are a no win.
DTP is the how-manieth kurdish party they want to close now?
We surely need reforms that ensures democracy for everyone in Turkey and better education so that no one will want to (or feel the need to) join PKK in the future. |
I agree.. they took the leader of DTP under custody and attemot to close it. democracy is ok but education part I dont agree... Kurds are so literate and know how to live that they can teach all the world democracy and how to live in peace as humans. at least not an education in turkish within the turkish national education system. |
You're right, they are receiving the same education as everyone else. I think the changes should be less homeland propaganda and the possibility of taking classes in kurdish; there are way too few who can read and write their language properly, they only speak it.
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:03 am |
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Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting kedycan:
I agree.. they took the leader of DTP under custody and attemot to close it. democracy is ok but education part I dont agree... Kurds are so literate and know how to live that they can teach all the world democracy and how to live in peace as humans. at least not an education in turkish within the turkish national education system. |
what do they teach within turkish national education every system?
how to be a devoted patriotic turk? |
exactly... plus how to be proud of murdering... they show and teach them all day how their jets bombed "terrorists" and civil villagers.. kids every day cry out and promise how brave their nation is, how brave and how fascits they will be etc every day..
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:06 am |
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You're right, they are receiving the same education as everyone else. I think the changes should be less homeland propaganda and the possibility of taking classes in kurdish; there are way too few who can read and write their language properly, they only speak it. |
yes in the university we collected petitions asking for Kurdish to be taken "at least" among the electoral courses. cos they have Urdu, English, German, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic and all aother languages. we just asked them to give kurdish courses as only "electives" and hundreds of our friends were kicked out of university to jails...
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:10 am |
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Quote: Quoting kedycan: ,
You're right, they are receiving the same education as everyone else. I think the changes should be less homeland propaganda and the possibility of taking classes in kurdish; there are way too few who can read and write their language properly, they only speak it. |
yes in the university we collected petitions asking for Kurdish to be taken "at least" among the electoral courses. cos they have Urdu, English, German, Spanish, Chinese, Arabic and all aother languages. we just asked them to give kurdish courses as only "electives" and hundreds of our friends were kicked out of university to jails... |
Inanılmaz ya...çok yazık. But anyway they are just shooting themselves in the foot because it shows exactly that Kurds ARE subject to oppression. Like this for example 
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:17 am |
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Quote: Quoting kedycan:
boosting the economy of ireland has solved the problem.
a fascist social? a strange blend of ideologies
but i agree with you to some extent, some problems are not solved easily, it takes a number of generations and number of victims. |
u sure boosting the conomy solves everything? yes many may sell their honour to money. and many Kurds do that too. but to claim that its solution is in economy is blinding people to the truth!
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we dont talk about selling ourselves for money, kedycan, dont mix the ideas.
theres a saying (i hate quoting proverbs) when a wolf is full up, the sheep is safe.
but its not the point of course.
the poverty influences one way (rebels, revolutions, wars, death)
and the wealth another way (peace, development).
many-many things are much related to the money and power.
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20 Dec 2007 Thu 01:23 am |
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which particularly islamic states have recognised them as terrorists? |
ah sorry I missed this...
the islamic states are "Turkey, Iraq, Kuwait" I wanna count more but dont wanna disinform you by mistake...
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