Quoting Inankur:

Thehandsome!
What kind of creature are you?

Quoting Elisabeth:

I have called my husband and informed him of the rules, handsom.....I don't think he likes you!

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Elisabeth: I have called my husband and informed him of the rules, handsom.....I don't think he likes you! Then, please pass my apologies to him. btw..which part is he not happy about? hahahahaha

Quoting Inankur:

Thehandsome!
What kind of creature are you?

Quoting kaddersokak:

you do not have to be a muslim. you can be an atheist. It is up to you. making fun of people's beliefs does not make you smart.

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Elisabeth: I have called my husband and informed him of the rules, handsom.....I don't think he likes you! Then, please pass my apologies to him. btw..which part is he not happy about? hahahahaha

Quoting kaddersokak:

you do not have to be a muslim. you can be an atheist. It is up to you. making fun of people's beliefs does not make you smart.

Quoting MrX67:

Bedrooms the one of most private parts of humans,so i don't think so this much detailed rules about sex life in any belief,even if there some documants thats only creat new chaoses or doubts,who can believe God order us do that or don't do that for our most private things,isn't sound noonsense for a simple mind even?

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting MrX67:

Quoting thehandsom:

I have come across this web page.
http://www.sadakat.net/aile/Aile/CC.htm
Since most of the girls here are after Turkish dudus (and they are 99% muslims), I though it might be a good idea and shed some lights to the topics you never thought they might be quite important (I never knew by myself for example) :
(It may contain some graphic details )
First the english bits:

About holding and looking: As far as holding and looking are concerned there is no restriction between husband and wife. (Omer apperantly said to his son that 'according to me it is a good thing because it will give more pleasure during intercourse)

About fantasizing : Some people believe 'a man is imagining another woman during the intercourse with his wife' is not considered as forbidden. But according to Ibn Âbidîn, he said 'it should be considered as forbidden. Because it is like imagining wine when you drink water and it is forbidden then it should be forbidden'

About the creams : as long as they dont contain pork fat, there is no indication that they are forbidden. But it is not a recommended situation. Allah did not forget to create natural moisturizer for it.

About the positions and bed covers: there are no recommendations or forbidden rules for the positions. as long as it is preformed through reproductive organs, man and wife can do whatever they like. Standing up, sitting down, behind, from the front, at the bottom, at the top etc. But they have to cover themselves. It is mentioned in Fetâvây-i Hindiyye that if the room is small (3X6 m2), the husband can take his wifes clothes off. Some philosophers though that there is no problem a man and wife can get undressed in a room together. But this does not mean when they have intercourse, they should be uncovered.

About masturbation: for a man, playing with your hand or with your butts in order to have pleasure, is not considered as halal. Using your hand for satisfaction is forbidden for both men and women. But a man can satisfy himself with his wife's hand or some parts of her body. and satisfying his wife that way is permitted too.

Impotence: If a man has no power for the intercourse after the marriage, he has a year. If end of the year, he still has no power even for once, if his wife wants a divorce, he will be divorced.

Telling others about your bedroom secrets: If there is an absolute necessity, telling your bedroom secrets to other are forbidden.
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Turkish bits:

Tutma ve bakma konusunda karrkoca arasinda avret olan bölge yoktur.(Ibn >bidin VI/367) Hz. Ömer'in oglunun; "bana göre birbirinin organlarina bakmalari daha iyidir, çünkü bu cinsel iliskinin tadini artirir," dedigi nakledilir.


Hanimi ile iliskide bulunurken, onu tanidigi güzel bir kadin diye hayâl edip, onunla sevisiyor gibi cima yapmasinin haram olmadigini söyleyenler vardir. Ancak Ibn Âbidîn; bizim kurallarimiza göre bunun helâl olmamasi gerekir, çünkü bu, suyu sarap olarak düsünüp içmeye benzer. Onun haram oldugu açiktir. Öyleyse öbürü de helâl olmamalidir" der. ( Ibn ilbidin VI/372.) Dogru olan da bu olsa gerektir.



Cinsel iliskide kullanilan kremler, ya da yaglandiricilarin, domuz yagi gibi haram madde içermedikten sonra, helâl olmadigini gösteren bir delil yoktur. Ancak bu normal eslere tavsiye edilmeyecek bir durumdur. Allah bu is için tabi nemlendirici yaratmayi ihmal etmemistir.


Cinsel iliskinin yasaklanan, ya da tavsiye edilen bir sekli yoktur. Ne var ki, tabiîlik dinî olan Islam'in, bu konuda da tabiî olani tercih edecegi açiktir. Üreme organindan olmak üzere, kari ile koca hangi tür iliskiden zevk aliyorlarsa onu uygularlar. Ayakta, otururken, yatarken, arkadan, önden, altta, üstte; hangisini isterlerse öyle yaparlar. Ancak üzerlerinin örtülü olmasi Islâmî bir edep ve emirdir." Allah ise utanmaya en lâyik olandir"(Fetâvây-i Hindiyye'de: "Oda küçük olursa (5-1 zira' yani yaklasik(3 x 6 m2) koca böyle bir odada cima maksadiyla karisini soyabilir. Bir kisim ulema kari kocanin bir odada tek baslarina soyunmalarinda mahzur olmadigini söylemislerdir." (Ibn Âbidîn, Kunye'den, V/288). Ama bu, elbette cima ederken açik olabilecekleri anlamina gelmez. Hadîs için bk. Buhârî, ilm 15, edep 68.)


Erkegin, sehvetini uyandirmak ve zevk duymak için, eliyle ya da butlariyla kendi kendini tatmin etmesi helâl görülmemistir.
Erkegin eli vb. seylerle kendini tatmin etmesi caiz olmadigi gibi, kadinin da bu yolla tatmin aramasi câiz degildir. Ancak koca, karisinin eli ile ya da vücudunun diger yerleri ile tatmin olabilecegi gibi, karisini da bu yolla tatmin edebilir. (Serahsî, Mebsût X/159.)

Evlendiginde karisiyla iliskiye güç yetiremeyen erkek bir yil beklenir. Bir yil boyunca da, bir defa olsun, güç yetiremezse, karisi, istemesi halinde ayrilir, erkegi beklemeye zorlanamaz. (Ibn Âbidîn, el-Ukûdü'd-dürriyye I/30.)

Karikocanin, zaruret olmadikça cinsel iliski biçimlerini baskalarina anlatmalari haramdir. Peygamberimiz ((s.a.v.).) : "Süphesiz ki, Kiyâmet Gününde, Allah'in katinda, emanete hiyanetin en büyüklerinden biri, karikoca beraber düsüp-kalktiktan sonra, kocasinin kadinin sirrini yaymasidir" buyurmustur. (Müslim, nikâh 21; Davûdoglu age VN/327 vd.)

Quoting Leelu:

this will take me 2 yrs to translate does it come in an english version?

Quoting Leelu:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Leelu: Quoting thehandsom: First the english bits: this will take me 2 yrs to translate does it come in an english version?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Leelu: Quoting thehandsom: First the english bits: this will take me 2 yrs to translate does it come in an english version? When was the last time you have seen your optician Leelu?

Quoting portokal:

cut it out guys.

peace train

Quoting MrX67:

i think you have to make comparisons between different beliefs about what you want to share or enligten others,thats more scientific or satisfied...

Quoting joanne1980:

I do think its refreshing to read something other than translations from holiday romances
Nothing wrong with expanding our knowledge from the various faiths...helps us to come to good conclusions of our own in the long run. (well that's what i think

Quoting AEnigma III:

...and we all love to talk about sex dimi

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: ...and we all love to talk about sex dimi FINALLY the truth!!

Quoting Elisabeth:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting Elisabeth: Quoting AEnigma III: ...and we all love to talk about sex dimi FINALLY the truth!! I dont know though.... there is a lot of truth in the Elvis song "A little less conversation, a little more action"

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting Leelu: Quoting thehandsom: First the english bits: this will take me 2 yrs to translate does it come in an english version?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting thehandsom: Quoting Leelu: Quoting thehandsom: First the english bits: this will take me 2 yrs to translate does it come in an english version? When was the last time you have seen your optician Leelu?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

most of the foreign people inthis site are seem so unsincere...

Quoting adonis:

most of the foreign people inthis site are seem so unsincere...

Quoting libralady:

I have the picture, the book open at page 3 (mostly 1 and 2 are introduction and preface ) young newly wed couple, checking the rules,

'uhmm can we do this? hang on, I can take your clothes off, but it must be dark. Where are the buttons',

'hang on I cant see the book now..........'

'turn to the next page, just a minute, I can't see, I must put the light on!'

'Don't put the light on I don't have any clothes on ................'

'Which page is spontaneity on?'

Quoting libralady:

'Which page is spontaneity on?'

Quoting adonis:

the turkish text is about methods and opinions for making sex from islamic intelelctuals and scholars. so, why some foreign people want to have the english translation of the text? why are u so curious? are they wanna insult us?

most of the foreign people inthis site are seem so unsincere...

Quoting Deli_kizin:

Adonis, an apology would be in its place

Quoting japrak:

it is a nice idea to give some explanations about turkey and the culture goings on here to the foreigners yet should it be the first one? there are a lot of things to clearify and make the others life easier. on the other hand, this subject is only for the people who are interested in. is it necessary to make it public? anyway there is nothing wrong to give such information here yet not at the first step

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting japrak:

in my message i meant only about islam and such a private and detail part of it, if it was necesarry etc.
only after one submits that there is a God beyond everything, He is Allknowing and orders us with the best, beneficial things to us, then he may understand something about that information. otherwise he does not care about God's authority then ofcourse it wouldnt mean anything and make fun of islam and muslims.

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting japrak:

ok let me say in another way. firstly i am talking about islamic knowledge not about the culture. then i cannot dare to say everyone should believe in God or convert to islam, if i had been interpreted in that way im sorry but i dont think believing in God is only the aspect of Islam but all of the religions.
secondly i mean, if a person wanna understand any subject (ex:maths, physics)he should start from the beginning. an elemantary school student is not able to understand the subjects of university, is he? but he cant say that those information are senseless.
as for islam, if a person wants to understand why people believe in this religion, why do the perform in that way, why people care God that much, firstly he should question what kind of God they are believing. what are the characteristics of Islamic God, is he Allknowing or not, is he the Absolute POwerful or not etc. i think this is the basic of islam that everyone should know IF ONLY THEY WANNA UNDERSTAND the religion, here i dont mean if you wanna understand islam you should convert yourself, this is not true, but i mean if you wanna understand why such rules muslims are under, why do they obey Him, firstly you should think or look from their perspective.learn how they think.
only after doing this preliminary preparation,people can question the rules or other detail pillars.
on the other hand this is not unique to islam, its same in all diciplines, if i wanna know about Judaism or Christianity firstly i search for what kind of God you are believing in than i form my ideas through it.

i wouldnt like to write that much long yet to clearify everything and not to be misunderstood..

Quoting AEnigma III:

Sorry Japrak, but you can't have it both ways on this website. If people here want to quote parts of the Quran, lecture us on having respect for headscarfs, advise us which translations of the Quran to read, throw in references like "allah willing" into posts, give us endless lectures about ramadan, post information about bayram holidays, etc. etc. ....then you have have no right to complain when people discuss other aspects of your religion.

I am happy to stop talking about your religion...just as soon as YOU ALL DO

Quoting elham:

sorry Aenigma, I DIDN'T GET,what you want from Japark to do,i think s/he free to discuss anything here as everyone , i read all Japarak's posts,didn't see any complain,so what's wrong

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting libralady:

I have the picture, the book open at page 3 (mostly 1 and 2 are introduction and preface ) young newly wed couple, checking the rules,

'uhmm can we do this? hang on, I can take your clothes off, but it must be dark. Where are the buttons',

'hang on I cant see the book now..........'

'turn to the next page, just a minute, I can't see, I must put the light on!'

'Don't put the light on I don't have any clothes on ................'

'Which page is spontaneity on?'

Quoting AEnigma III:

Sorry Japrak, but you can't have it both ways on this website. If people here want to quote parts of the Quran, lecture us on having respect for headscarfs, advise us which translations of the Quran to read, throw in references like "allah willing" into posts, give us endless lectures about ramadan, post information about bayram holidays, etc. etc. ....then you have have no right to complain when people discuss other aspects of your religion.

I am happy to stop talking about your religion...just as soon as YOU ALL DO

Quoting incişka:

As i said b4, i know ur intention was not to hurt anyone, but, please, when u use religious topics to have fun, just be careful. because some ppl who take the religion seriously may be hurt, and they are already. as we see...

Quoting incişka:

Why are the rules not applied? Or if they wont be applied, why r they listed as rules?

Quoting japrak:

i think im trying to say similar things. i think islam or any religion is only the issue of interest. so there is no need to make that long explanations or trying to inform people. yet a person still wants to introduce his religion i say, the best topic to start is belief in God, nothing else. why he tries to give meat to a baby i say. that was all i tried to say but it goes in different ways. anyway it may be better to stop here for the others sake

Quoting elham:

dear Japarak, because you are new member ,I want you to know there's Bermuda Triangle in this forum(AEngima,Femme and catwoman)those trying to change topic from serious to humor , so be careful from them especially in religious matters, so be clever to deal with them

Quoting incişka:

Have i said anything about my faith? and i dont care what ppl say or debate over at all. im just asking ppl to try to see the things from the other side's perspective. About the rules, they r created to be followed in practice. If those rules thati posted will stay only on the sentence-level, they should be deleted from the list.

Quoting elham:

dear Japarak, because you are new member ,I want you to know there's Bermuda Triangle in this forum(AEngima,Femme and catwoman)those trying to change topic from serious to humor , so be careful from them especially in religious matters, so be clever to deal with them

Quoting incişka:

Have i said anything about my faith?

Quoting incişka:

and i dont care what ppl say or debate over at all.

Quoting incişka:

im just asking ppl to try to see the things from the other side's perspective.

Quoting incişka:

About the rules, they r created to be followed in practice.

Quoting incişka:

If those rules thati posted will stay only on the sentence-level, they should be deleted from the list.

Quoting AEnigma III:

I didn't say anything about you having faith. My "you" was not a personal "you".

I was giving my view about why it is impossible and fruitless to delete every single post where religion is debated.

Quote:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

THEIR ACCOUNTS MUST BE DELETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS SITE IS NOT FOR THEM TO SHOW THEIR DEGENERATED AND DISRESPECTFUL VIEWS.

Quoting incişka:

From "Forum Rules"

10. Any discussion on politics or religion and religious matters is strictly prohibited.


Postings about your religious beliefs; explaining any subject from a religious perspective; trying to influence others with your religious beliefs; getting religion involved in any subject and/or any subjects with religion as the main theme is prohibited. This is a religion - free website where all members should feel comfortable whether they are religious, atheist, agnostic or whatever.

The only exception to this is where someone has raised a question about Turkish culture which cannot be answered without making a reference to religion, for example an explanation about a turkish religious holiday. Anyone answering a question of this nature, must be careful to keep their answer impartial, impersonal and non controversial. Any such responses will be deleted.

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Why are the rules not applied? Or if they wont be applied, why r they listed as rules?

Quoting adonis:

I absolutely agree with you elham.

aenigma, femme fatal, girliegirl and catwoman are the mischief makers of this site. because they have no knowledge about making discussions in a regretful way. they don't show any respects to the religions, political perspectives, beliefs, cultures, and the internal affairs of the people and the countries. they have no jobs and they are only here for wasting their time and just for fun.

THEIR ACCOUNTS MUST BE DELETED AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. THIS SITE IS NOT FOR THEM TO SHOW THEIR DEGENERATED AND DISRESPECTFUL VIEWS.

Quoting caliptrix:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quote:

Quoting femme_fatal:

alright.

my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)?


people harshly criticise every religion. jews along with their religion were not only criticised but persecuted till now and it goes on. but have you ever heard any situation when a jew slits a throat of any non-jewish for this?

there are not only cartoons but very offensive comdeies about christianity, but havent heard of any riots against the jokes.

so what is wrong with you muslims? are you all humorless zombies?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Exactly. Why would you want to say "come to the way of God"? Are you trying to convert us? I would never say to you "come to the way of atheism"

I am always respectful to people of any faith face to face (provided they dont try to convert me!). However, if your objection to me is that I write posts because I care that people get killed, stoned, forced into submission, raped and abused in the name of RELIGION, then I make no apologies.

As compassionate humans (which I hope you are) I am surprised you get so angry at ME, but not at those extremists who give religion a bad name.

Quoting elham:

Quoting femme_fatal:

alright.

my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)?

Quoting elham:

Quoting elham:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: alright. my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)? simple answer we respect our religion

Quoting azade:

Lately it's been pointed out that some of the forum rules are not being followed and it seems that nobody really cares to actually follow them anyway, so why not just delete them alltogether? They are a joke.

Quoting elham:

you are so wrong canim,
anyway I don't want to waste my time with you

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting japrak:

you are right that we make such a horrible image of islam before all world since we misunderstood it at the beginning and we are not universal as it is.
i think this problem is mostly historical and what we brought from our past. you know western cultures had got rid of their most precious thing, religion then they experienced renaissance and reform so for new generations its easy to make fun of it and everything related to it. yet eastern cultures are really different in same subject. the east rose with religion, it was in dark age before it and as long as they maintain the religion they improved their living standards. so they cannot stand any insulting attack towards it, i mean the idea of religion doesnt mean same thing to a western and eastern.
yet it may not be an excuse. if we muslims had understood and represent Quran truly or be universal as it is we wouldnt be discussing in that matter now. cause the human being that Quran aims to embody is the most tolerant, merciful, fair one.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade:

I'm simply stating that some particular rules have no function so we should get rid of them in order to discuss topics such as politics and religion freely

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal:

i observe things

what i see is when aenigma and elisabeth criticise each other's cultures, countries, and education none of them get offended or complain or cry or use bad words in their defence.

read the subjects why i love uk or why i love us.

when lis is criticised for her religion her reaction is very diverse to the ones of our dear and "peaceful" muslims. why? and then when they are out of arguments they suddenly question the website rules, but they completly feel OK when their religion and culture is promoted.

are you then hypocrites or immature big babies who dont know what the discussions are and are completly unable to stand the criticism?

Quoting AEnigma III:

Actually this is not strictly true. I did cry once when you called me "Fat ass evil brit"

I AM NOT EVIL!

Quoting azade:

Everyone's got to agree that they are pretty superfluous right

Quoting azade:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: I'm simply stating that some particular rules have no function so we should get rid of them in order to discuss topics such as politics and religion freely I think Femme got so used to holding two pistols and having to shoot out in all directions, you may have got caught in the cross fire!!!

Quoting adonis:

look at the defender of Freedom.

your country, Denmark, is blamed for publishing caricatures of Prophet Mohammad. do freedom or discussing the religions give the right of insulting them? is it related to morality?

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting adonis:

look at the defender of Freedom.

your country, Denmark, is blamed for publishing caricatures of Prophet Mohammad. do freedom or discussing the religions give the right of insulting them? is it related to morality?

Quoting adonis:

look at the defender of Freedom.

your country, Denmark, is blamed for publishing caricatures of Prophet Mohammad. do freedom or discussing the religions give the right of insulting them? is it related to morality?

Quoting azade:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: Everyone's got to agree that they are pretty superfluous right eee pardon, is this an old kurdish saying?

Quoting azade:

Although adonis, I must say, it's really funny that you say this to me because I'm muslim

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade: Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: Everyone's got to agree that they are pretty superfluous right eee pardon, is this an old kurdish saying? Could you elaborate?

Quoting japrak:

you are right that we make such a horrible image of islam before all world since we misunderstood it at the beginning and we are not universal as it is.
i think this problem is mostly historical and what we brought from our past. you know western cultures had got rid of their most precious thing, religion then they experienced renaissance and reform so for new generations its easy to make fun of it and everything related to it. yet eastern cultures are really different in same subject. the east rose with religion, it was in dark age before it and as long as they maintain the religion they improved their living standards. so they cannot stand any insulting attack towards it, i mean the idea of religion doesnt mean same thing to a western and eastern.
yet it may not be an excuse. if we muslims had understood and represent Quran truly or be universal as it is we wouldnt be discussing in that matter now. cause the human being that Quran aims to embody is the most tolerant, merciful, fair one.

Quoting azade:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: I'm simply stating that some particular rules have no function so we should get rid of them in order to discuss topics such as politics and religion freely I think Femme got so used to holding two pistols and having to shoot out in all directions, you may have got caught in the cross fire!!!

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade: Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: I'm simply stating that some particular rules have no function so we should get rid of them in order to discuss topics such as politics and religion freely I think Femme got so used to holding two pistols and having to shoot out in all directions, you may have got caught in the cross fire!!! Or else there's something I have completely missed. Everyone's got to agree that they are pretty superfluous right

Quoting adonis:

Jesus, I Will Survive

Is this video related to morality?

freedom defenders... wow!!!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

Jesus, I Will Survive

Is this video related to morality?

freedom defenders... wow!!!

Quoting azade:

Phew good thing they missed

Quoting DR TREATMENT:

Its not your business who is the better Muslim or who is the representative of Islam.

Quoting MarioninTurkey:

You cannot decide who is a good muslim or not, and who can represent Islam or not.

Quoting adonis:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting azade: Although adonis, I must say, it's really funny that you say this to me because I'm muslim Adonis only sees black and white, Azade, and is completely unable to see that you are a far better representative of Islam than he can ever be

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade:

But you can't think that those crowds going crazy, burning flags and whatever over pictures that they have never even seen are good at representing islam?
So what if some people make pictures of a man with a beard and call it Muhammed. As muslim you (not a personal you) should at least just be able to say whatever the picture is not of Muhammed (saw) anyway.

Ugh I am so tired of this topic, those cartoons were drawn like two years ago and have been debated more than enough. It just screams ignoracy. Did you know that the person who drew the one with a bomb placed on a man's head and his family have been hiding because PET (equivalent to FBI I guess) told them to get out of their home because someone were planning on murdering them? No rightful muslim would ever do such thing and it's almost impossible for the rest of us to undo this damage that some psychopaths have done in the name of islam.

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting azade: Phew good thing they missed oh, thank GOD, otherwise i wouldnt be able to afford another funeral expenses

Quoting azade:

I must have missed them, not getting the feel and motivation to kill people

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting adonis:

ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE ME, COS I'M FREE!!!

Quoting catwoman:

Therefore, those terrorists simply use religion as a political tool, mainly because it's SUCH AN EASY easy way to convince and manipulate maaassesss of people. Especially that lots of people in the middle east are not very educated and already live in religious dicatorships with no or little room for free, independent thought.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting peace train:

In this particular instance you shovelled it into your own, enormous mouth. The thread title was a clear warning it would have a religious angle. So, you had a choice DEAR. The truth of the matter is you enjoy every opportunity you get to whinge on and on and on and on and on.

"FRANKLY" whilst you know a lot of "FACTS" you aren't smart . . . you're a great stonking ignoramus!!!

I just realised that there is absolutely no point in talking to you and I'm sure you'll be glad to know that.

Quoting azade:

Quoting AlphaF:

It is exactly the opposite...West takes all, somethimes including the dignity of people.
The man is left with his religion alone. But atack does not end. West starts trying to ridicule his religion too. Guess what happens afterwards?

Quoting AlphaF:

It is exactly the opposite...West takes all, somethimes including the dignity of people.
The man is left with his religion alone.

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting peace train:

In this particular instance you shovelled it into your own, enormous mouth. The thread title was a clear warning it would have a religious angle. So, you had a choice DEAR. The truth of the matter is you enjoy every opportunity you get to whinge on and on and on and on and on.

'FRANKLY' whilst you know a lot of 'FACTS' you aren't smart . . . you're a great stonking ignoramus!!!

I just realised that there is absolutely no point in talking to you and I'm sure you'll be glad to know that.

Quoting AlphaF:

West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.

You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! you are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price...

Quoting AlphaF:

West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.

You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! you are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price...

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting azade:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AlphaF: West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself. You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! you are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price... well said, alpha! finally theres something i agree with you

Quoting azade:

You're funny

I can think of loads of things that work against you but I'm not one to sink there. Let's continue with the subject, shall we? Have anything else to add, maybe take a stand to what I am saying?

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting azade:

I'm not going to argue with someone that deliberately ignores what I write and make accusations just because they have a negative opinion of me for completely different reasons

Quoting femme_fatal:

the rules are stupid!
how can you talk about turkey without touchin its culture, religion and politics?

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Quoting incişka:

wow page 16

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting femme_fatal:

i do not need to learn the culture of glorious turkey. i know it. the culture that constantly pops up on many many posts by average turks everyday represent enough of the real culture of the glorious turks.
thank you though for sharing your valuable opinions on me.

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting AlphaF:

This will take some time folks!...She is still typing )))))))

Quoting AlphaF:

Give us all we should know...

Quoting AlphaF:

Quoting femme_fatal:

Quoting thehandsom:

Quoting femme_fatal: Quoting AlphaF: oh i love this question!

Quoting AEnigma III:

Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: alright. my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)? simple answer we respect our religion

Quoting thehandsom:

So the moral of the story is that with the industralision the religion is bound to get weaker. That is what is happening in the west. And that is what is not happening in the east.
That is what will happen to the eastern cultures with the time.

Quoting AlphaF:

West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.

You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! You are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price...

Quoting CANLI:

Quoting AEnigma III: Quoting elham: Quoting femme_fatal: alright. my question is: why do ONLY muslims get offended throughout the whole world (not only on this site)? simple answer we respect our religion You can respect your religion, and still find humourous things about it. I have a feeling that you probably do - but would never dare to share your jokes because you want to present a good public face to other people. It is counterproductive - we would respect your religion more if you saw humour in yourselves, the way everyone else does.

Quoting alameda:

The most dangerous people are those with nothing left to loose....or those who feel they have lost their dignity, self worth.

I don't believe anyone who has hope would become a suicide bomber. It really is a phenomenon that should be studied seriously, if anyone wants it to stop.

Quoting AlphaF:

West tells you the suicide bombers are born idiots, and you believe them. You obviously have a very clean washed brain yourself.

You cant even suspect there may be another gross reality behind the suicide bombers ! You are happy to be safe, sound and well fed among others. That is your price...

Quoting AEnigma III: