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Erdogan lambastes Israel
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1.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 05:07 pm

Well, It's About Time Turkey speaks out:

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan hit Israel hard on Sunday saying the Israelis were using disproportional violence against the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip killing civilians including children.

“We simply cannot explain the attacks against people in humanitarian terms. There is no legal basis for these attacks. As the Turkish Republic we are condemning the attitude of Israel in very clear terms.”

Prime Minister Erdogan said when Turkey launched similar operations against the PKK in northern Iraq it did not target or harm even a single civilian. He said this is the result of the sensitivity displayed by the Turkish Republic and its armed forces.

He said the issue will be taken up at the cabinet session on Monday and necessary steps will be taken.

He said Turkey had appealed to Israel to solve the problem through diplomatic means but the Israelis did not even respond.

New Anatolian
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzeTYbQOUJo


Israeli-Turkish relations tense as Erdogan says Qassams don't kill

The Palestinian territories are like an open-air prison, they are under siege from Israel.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/947607.html

Erdoğan: "Children are being murdered"


Erdoğan condemned Israel about the bloody attacks on Gaza.

"The Israeli defense minister came to Turkey. We communicated to him that civilians are being killed due to the non-proportional use of force and that we are disturbed by this."

Erdoğan condemns Israel: "children are being murdered"

Prime Minister Erdoğan stated that sanctions other than diplomatic are being discussed regarding Israel's attack on Gaza. The Prime Minister stated that Turkey condemns Israel's attacks and that the council of ministers will discuss the issue today. Erdoğan said: "we told them to solve the issue with diplomacy. However, unfortunately, they did not choose the way Turkey has shown them. This is a matter of identity." Erdoğan added: "it is not possible for us to approve of this inhuman application. Civilians and children are being murdered by the disproportional use of power. These attacks can not be explained on a humanitarian or legal basis. As the Turkish government, we clearly condemn the attitude displayed by Israel."
SABAH
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7C6A086D-80BD-40BD-95CF-815F4FC4D419.htm






2.       Prenses Ghenwa
21 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 06:05 pm

I really admire Recep Tayyip Erdogan..

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 07:57 pm

Quoting Prenses Ghenwa:

I really admire Recep Tayyip Erdogan..


I especially admire him for his free thinking ability and his good looking mustache... Oh, I also like his incredible business skills

4.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:07 pm

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence? How can it be justified, speaking in terms of religion. Why is it more acceptable in society to kill a terrorist and not an innocent person? And what about the death penality? Are we to play God? Aren't we suppose to turn the other cheek or is it an eye for eye. Obviously, I'm playing devils advocate here and interested in your thoughts...

5.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:11 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence?


Yeah, it's an act of violence, but it's a very different thing to kill a terrorist then an innocent person! These two acts have a very different moral charge!

6.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:15 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

Here are some loaded questions that I think about..Isn't any act of killing whether they are innocent or not a form of violence?


Yeah, it's an act of violence, but it's a very different thing to kill a terrorist then an innocent person! These two acts have a very different moral charge!



But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?

7.       catwoman
8933 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:22 pm

Quoting teaschip1:

But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?


I didn't say that they "should" be killed, I just said taht it's a very different thing when one is killed over the other. I'm not basing anything on religion, but on my own moral views.

8.       teaschip
3870 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 09:25 pm

Quoting catwoman:

Quoting teaschip1:

But based on most religions, killing in any form is highly against. What about a drunk driver, who is generally a good person who kills an innocent person. Are you saying someone who has premeditated the crime, should be killed?


I didn't say that they "should" be killed, I just said taht it's a very different thing when one is killed over the other. I'm not basing anything on religion, but on my own moral views.



What makes it very different?
So perhaps it's more acceptable to kill someone who has premeditated.thoughtout an act of violence towards another than to kill an innocent person? Again, these are just questions..not my personal views.

9.       Roswitha
4132 posts
 03 Mar 2008 Mon 10:59 pm





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10.       CANLI
5084 posts
 04 Mar 2008 Tue 12:56 am

Quoting teaschip1:


Killing terrorist in a war in my opinion is justified,for many reasons,naming one,if you didnt stop him,he will kill many innocent people
So,actually if you have turned the other cheek to a terrorist is like you have placed a death penalty upon many innocent people in the society.
And you also cant put people who defending themselves there fore they are killing others,with people who are killing others''innocent people'' to take their homes and lands in same basket.
And also you cant ask someone to turn the other cheeck when someone is attacking him to kill him,he would be fighting back and maybe kill too,so it will be an eye for an eye.
So i guess,you cant actually turn the other cheek all the times,but also you shouldnt use eye for an eye all the times !

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