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Oppression against the Turks in China
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 08:09 am |
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The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 03:53 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html |
Among the arrested are people who have poisened kindergartners, bombed public places and have destroyed oil pipes among other crimes. They are defined as a "terrorist group" under the UN Resolution. The same criteria that the UN defines as a terrorist group that includes the PKK. The U.S. administration however does not agree with China's "war on terrorism" So are the Uyghurs terrorists or victims of terrorism? 
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 07:34 pm |
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Quoting teaschip: Quoting tamikidakika: The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html |
Among the arrested are people who have poisened kindergartners, bombed public places and have destroyed oil pipes among other crimes. They are defined as a "terrorist group" under the UN Resolution. The same criteria that the UN defines as a terrorist group that includes the PKK. The U.S. administration however does not agree with China's "war on terrorism" So are the Uyghurs terrorists or victims of terrorism? |
You mean 100,000 of people were terrorists? You`re calling the Uyghurs terrorists, but then why not the Kurds. If Turkey arrested 100,000 of Kurds accusing them of terrorism, would you give the same reaction? China is openly abusing 9/11 in a disgusting way whether you believe or not, and "China`s war on terrorism" sounds like a joke.
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 08:56 pm |
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There must be a reason to that. Let us see the other side of the coin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhohwT5-27c
Quoting tamikidakika: The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html |
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 09:42 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: There must be a reason to that. Let us see the other side of the coin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhohwT5-27c
Quoting tamikidakika: The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html |
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A Chinese propaganda movie on youtube, What a proof!! and is this the excuse for China to jail murder and torture 100,000 people? Why is China still keeping the illegal occupation of East Turkistan?
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10 Jun 2008 Tue 10:04 pm |
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Quoting tamikidakika: Quoting teaschip: Quoting tamikidakika: The article below says that 100,000 Uyghurs have been arrested and some got killed by the Chinese since 2001. Yet the situation doesn`t seem as interesting as the occupation of Tibet to the West since the oppressed are Muslims.
http://www.uygur.org/enorg/h_rights/report_9_11_2002.html |
Among the arrested are people who have poisened kindergartners, bombed public places and have destroyed oil pipes among other crimes. They are defined as a "terrorist group" under the UN Resolution. The same criteria that the UN defines as a terrorist group that includes the PKK. The U.S. administration however does not agree with China's "war on terrorism" So are the Uyghurs terrorists or victims of terrorism? |
You mean 100,000 of people were terrorists? You`re calling the Uyghurs terrorists, but then why not the Kurds. If Turkey arrested 100,000 of Kurds accusing them of terrorism, would you give the same reaction? China is openly abusing 9/11 in a disgusting way whether you believe or not, and "China`s war on terrorism" sounds like a joke. |
No, I'm saying that China has declared them as terrorists, especially the ETIM, backed by the UN Resolution. Also these terrorist acts were well before 9/11. They were receiving financial aid from international terrorists groups. Do I think 9/11 gave the Chinese government another reason to go after these groups? Absolutely! Again this is Chinas "war on terrorism". Whether I agree with it or not.
I mentioned the PKK as well since the UN also views them as a terrorist group. So did the UN get it wrong? Does China have any obligation to the Uyghur people to give back their land. Does Turkey have any obligation to give back the Kurds land? Are the Uyghur people victims of terrorism or terrorists?
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 12:40 am |
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Quoting teaschip:
No, I'm saying that China has declared them as terrorists, especially the ETIM, backed by the UN Resolution. Also these terrorist acts were well before 9/11. They were receiving financial aid from international terrorists groups. Do I think 9/11 gave the Chinese government another reason to go after these groups? Absolutely! Again this is Chinas "war on terrorism". Whether I agree with it or not. |
I`m asking you a simple question; are these 100,000 of people all terrorists? How would it be if the Turkish government jailed killed or tortured 100,000 of Kurds because of pkk? Would you say "oh thats fine they deserve that?" like what you say for the Uyghurs?
Quoting teaschip:
Does China have any obligation to the Uyghur people to give back their land. Does Turkey have any obligation to give back the Kurds land?
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What do you mean by "giving back the Kurds land". Can you tell me when they had a Kurdish state here? Do you think there was smt called "Kurd" 1000 years ago? No they were Iranians, and there is already an existing country called Iran. East Turkistan has been Turkic land for thousands of years, and it was a sovereign state in the 1940`s before it got occupied by China and USSR.
and if the Uyghurs are terrorists, Kurds and Americans are terrorists as well. Do you accept?
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 01:30 pm |
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 01:41 pm |
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 04:26 pm |
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 10:04 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: Forget about East Turkistan. It belongs to China. And it always belonged to China, |
is this crap what they teach you at the schools there? If East Turkistan had always belonged to China ,why isn`t it inside of the Chinese wall? But I`m sure they teach you that Tibet has always been Chinese land as well.
Quoting zhang ziyi:
meanwhile millions of Turks migrated from their countries seeking haven from USSR to China.
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right you can earn 70 bucks a month by working 14 hrs a day, and the government may shoot you and send your family a bill for the bullet they wasted. what a nice place to seek haven in!!!
Quoting zhang ziyi:
Let us see the other side of the coin. The Turks occupied the lands that belonged to Greeks, you first give the lands.
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No you first learn some history, because Anatolia has never been Greek. The Greek stole the land from the Trojans and the other Anatolian people at the time. So maybe you should find a better argument.
And what does the incidences of 1000 years ago have to do with the inhumane and barbaric acts of TODAY`s China???
This is my last respond to you. you can write whatever you want. There is no point for me to deal with a brainwashed person who says East Turkistan has always been China`s.
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 10:47 pm |
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 11:31 pm |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: tamikidakika
When you refuse further discussion, theres no point for me to address my post to you. However, just a thought travelled to my mind: you have your brainwashing in your schools and we have ours in our schools. |
That thought has not traveled to my mind...  You are probably brainwashed, but Turks are not! Ever!  They lack the gene that makes it possible for a person to be brainwashed.
Quoting zhang ziyi: Having said that, Do not forget, today we easily can access many interesting sources thanks to Internet and keep learning. |
Provided that internet is not censored.  Both China and Turkey are champions of free speech (the Turkish 'thought crime' laws are just a funny joke) 
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11 Jun 2008 Wed 11:37 pm |
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But that is true! Ottomans were welcome in Europe, that's the only reason why they "invaded" it... They they never used violence, only spreading love and to the infidels... 
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 03:00 am |
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Quoting catwoman:
But that is true! Ottomans were welcome in Europe, that's the only reason why they "invaded" it... They they never used violence, only spreading love and to the infidels... |
catwoman, you messed up again, I have to admit. Speaking of taming "infidels", no one could rival your ancestors. Do they even teach you how the Europeans terrorised the mid east for 200 years and killed millions of people for their fascistic ideal, crusade, or how they converted the whole southern Africa, Asia and South America by sword into Christianity, or how they killed the Jews and outlawed their religion hundreds of years? Can you tell me why the Jews fled to Anatolia if the Europeans were getting along well with the "infidel"? Do they tell you how the Europeans genocided the Mayas, Incas, American Natives, Aborigines, and Algerians. Of course not!! But your ignorance and arrogance don`t change the fact that they did happen.
Catwoman, get over it. The history of Europeans is much more bloody and barbaric than of any other race you can name. might be sad for you but it`s true.
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 04:44 am |
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Quoting zhang ziyi: There must be a reason to that. Let us see the other side of the coin. |
Hmmm....it's interesting to see that MEMRI has such a fan club here....
I posted this before....but....
MEMRI
MEMRI is operated by a group closely associated with the Israeli intelligence organizations. Now, in an article in Haaretz, we find that the Israeli Army has sought to plant stories about 'terrorism' in the press, and
'Psychological warfare officers were in touch with Israeli journalists covering the Arab world, gave them translated articles from Arab papers (which were planted by the [Israel Defense Forces] IDF) and pressed the Israeli reporters to publish the same news here.' --Amos Harel, IDF reviving psychological warfare unit, Haaretz, January 25, 2005.
This should raise a question or two about the reliability and veracity of the stories peddled by MEMRI.
This is what Prof. Juan Cole had to say about this:
'So is MEMRI, which translates articles from the Arabic press into English for thousands of US subscribers, in any way involved in all this? Its director formerly served in… Israeli military intelligence. How much of what we 'know' from 'Arab sources' about 'Hizbullah terrorism' was simply made up by this fantasy factory in Tel Aviv?
As someone who reads the Arabic press quite a lot, this sort of revelation is extremely disturbing.
I also saw an allegation that British military intelligence had planted stories in the US press about Saddam's Iraq.
You begin to wonder how much of what you think you know is just propaganda manufactured by some bored colonel. No wonder post-Baath Iraq looks nothing like what we were led to to expect by the press, including the Arab press!' [3]
MEMRI
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12 Jun 2008 Thu 05:45 am |
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Tamikidakika - Europeans are not denying their bloody past, neither are Christians. Turks (and Muslims) on the other hand, live in some sort of fantasy illusion that they are angels from heaven.
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