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10.       hanan
197 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 09:55 am

Quoting erdinc:

He is a little too much interested on top end cell phones. He knows all the unnecessary information about makes and models.

Most of his collogues are very close friends of him. They share their experiences especially about foreign girls and there is always some dirty talking going on now and then.

They have come to this place for the season only and they stay together in a place close by. They share their lives. It is almost impossible for him to exist as an individual and to have his own values, style, private life etc. There is no such thing as enjoying your free time on your own.

He can not survive on his own. This is especially true when living in a foreign town. He must find his own people. For him the place where people are originated is very important. If another guy is from the same town as himself or a neighbor town, this alone is enough to be good friends and to share almost everything about his life after hours.

Of course it is not easy living far away from relatives (since independence is something they have heard about but are not sure what it is exactly). So, because of the sorrow of being far from relatives or the support of a known community, they like to drink from time to time accompanied with some suitable dark music.

He is not interested on the serious things in life and has always plans to earn lots of money the easy way without much effort. Of course it would not be a big deal if these things are a little bit illegal. He believes strongly that talent, effort, education, professionalizing etc are not so important and wont help much but the most important thing is to know the right people.

While he is very open minded about relationships with opposite sex, he also keeps his conservative understanding of ethical values that he carried from his background.

He has very strong ties to his relatives. Probably he sends back some money to his family. His mother is worried of his relaxed lifestyle and has plans to tie him down to a local girl expecially now since his military service has already finished.

According his ethical values, there are two kinds of females. One type are the ethical ones and the other type of girls are the unethical ones. With the unethical ones you have fun and with the ethical ones you marry. Of course the girl he will marry must be a virgin, otherwise she is unethical. I guess by now you have understood that all Western girls fall down to the second category.

But these details will be issues in the far future. So there is nothing important to bother for now. Currently our boy is busy entertaining himself and responsibility to a settled down and traditional life will follow anyway so why not have some fun until then. In his future life, there is a high possibility for domestic violence. This will be seen as an unimportant issue from the perspective of his cultural environment.
The local girl will suffer but will get hardly any support from her family. Depending on the place where they were originated the level of pressure will wary from suggesting not to divorce to an extreme of threatening her life if she divorces. These days there are few examples of this but we occasionally see, especially in non-Turkish ethnical backgrounds, that a woman is getting killed by family members because she wanted to divorce. There is no such Turkish tradition but other ethnical minorities in Turkia still try to keep these traditions despite the efforts of our government.

Not too many examples to this but still there are places where women are seen as a possession of men's family. In some conservative little towns women are not supposed to divorce. If the man dies, his wife will be transferred to his biggest brother. So the brother will have two wives. The point is that there is no escape for the female from a violent family.

I'm not suggesting that this will happen in a boy’s family who is a waiter in a touristic town. I'm just telling the extreme and you can have an idea what is likely to happen.

Most native females, especially the educated ones will identify in minutes, a person who is likely to use violence. They will also identify a traditional lifestyle, conservative background, any extreme ethical values and any other details that are suspicious about a male. Things like accent are the key on this.

Foreigners will always come across to the wrong guys.

For our young boy, there will be each and every day small issues that are a problem. It is not possible to live without making the small things a problem in life. There will be always excuses. Always somebody else is responsible for the things that go wrong in his life. After 50 years, when turning back to memory and picking up the best moments of life, there is no surprise to see that there are very few moments to pick.


i think that is just enough, well done erdinc.

11.       krazegrl
27 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 10:03 am

Thanks for your insight and very well put.

12.       Elisa
0 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 04:42 pm

Quoting erdinc:

He is a little too much interested on top end cell phones. He knows all the unnecessary information about makes and models.

Most of his collogues are very close friends of him. They share their experiences especially about foreign girls and there is always some dirty talking going on now and then.

...



You must be very certain that no waiter ever reads posts on TC. According to this there is a potential chance that someone will..
I know that all around the world there are people who do jobs that they don't really like, not because they are not intelligent enough but because they never got the chance for financial reasons, or never had the chance to get away from their village and go to uni to study to become a teacher or an engineer. That doesn't mean they wouldn't love to see their lives to be different.
I know that those kind of people would be devasted and heartbroken if they saw a post like the one above. And oh yes, even the "underpriviliged" find their way to the internet nowadays.
The people you describe most certainly exist, but what an incredible generalization that post was..

13.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 04:47 pm

Elisa, thank you from saving me to say exactly the same!!

Quoting Elisa:

The people you describe most certainly exist, but what an incredible generalization that post was..



Ofcourse, the question of this post asked a bit for a generalization, otherwise it could never be answered. But i think this was a bit too much of a good (well, bad) thing.

14.       Aenigma
0 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 04:53 pm

15.       libralady
5152 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 05:18 pm

I think Erdinc's reply should be posted on the MSN site English Girlfriends of Turkish men! In their eye's anyone who acts in the way you suggest - ask for money, phones etc are rats. Perhaps a little deeper understanding of Turkish men from rural areas and their culture would not go amiss for some of these ladies. Can anyone blame them for living this way when so many English women go to Turkey on holiday and "lay it on a plate" so to speak.

16.       Aenigma
0 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 05:20 pm

17.       Boop
785 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 05:22 pm

Very well said LibraLady - there are many 'different' people in the world - not all men are rats and not all women innocent victims!!!

18.       Aenigma
0 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 09:59 pm

Well I do agree Boop, but surely here we were not talking about ALL MEN - only resort workers.

I agree, some girls can be blamed but, really, you only have to read some of the translations here to realise that these girls really believe these boys and are taken in by them? They may seem cheap or easy - but most of these girls believe these boys when they start talking of marriage. English guys (GENERALLY!!!) are not so romantic and demonstrative, so these beautiful Turkish men seem like a dream come true to these girls!

Also, is it not important to stress the point that these resort workers are not typical of all Turkish men? Or, do we ALWAYS have to be politically correct on this site at the expense of truth?

19.       Deli_kizin
6376 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 10:06 pm

Then t he question comes to my mind: what is politically correct?

I thought it was one of the rules to this site not to insult anyone. I think that Erdinç, if i may say so, should've sent that post as a private message to krazegrl. That's what i would have done if i was him (but if i was i would also speak perfect Turkish this only to stress the fact i am not)

And, not to hurt any of the girls around here, but don't we think it's a bit naive to believe a handsome guy that wants to marry you, after you've only spent a holiday (without the daily trouble) and when you're only of the age between 15-20?

Most people spend half a lifetime to find the loves of their lives, so it's a bit naive to expect you find your true love when you go on holiday at a young age.
For myself, I'm 18 and my love is 20, so maybe I have no right to speak But he's no holiday resort worker anyhow.

Nevertheless, i hope everyone finds a handsome Turk and gets incredibly happy ofcourse

20.       libralady
5152 posts
 12 Mar 2006 Sun 10:34 pm

Quoting Aenigma:

Well I do agree Boop, but surely here we were not talking about ALL MEN - only resort workers.

I agree, some girls can be blamed but, really, you only have to read some of the translations here to realise that these girls really believe these boys and are taken in by them? They mean seem cheap or easy - but most of these girls believe these boys when they start talking of marriage. English guys (GENERALLY!!!) are not so romantic and demonstrative, so these beautiful Turkish men seem like a dream come true to these girls!

Also, is it not important to stress the point that these resort workers are not typical of all Turkish men? Or, do we ALWAYS have to be politically correct on this site at the expense of truth?



What you say is very true. I am not for one minute suggesting that all men are the same or for that matter all women from the UK. I have not time for political correctness but then that is another story

We have these womens magazines and the tabloids that regularly feature stories about women going to Turkey ( and it is always Turkey!!) who pick a young fella. Most women will be flattered by some attention from a handsome your man, serving you drinks etc. But I am talking about woman who should know better, woman in their 40's, 50's and even 60's going with young men in their 20's.

My point here is that there is enough exposure for woman to be on their guard and they choose not to be and still end up wounded - mostly their pride and their purses!!

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