Turkey ranks second after Russia in the list of countries with the largest number of human rights violation cases open at the European Court of Human Rights, with 9,000 cases currently pending.

Two-thirds of the applications made to the European court regard violations of fair trial and property rights. There are currently 440 cases opened against Turkey regarding torture, ill treatment and violation of the right to live.

Read more: http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=151355

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Second? Is it that bad in Turkey? Personally I would have thought that Albania and Romania were higher on that list. Anyone with experiences s/he wants to share?

the poplutaion of Albania is just 3.5 million. how would you expect them to take a higher spot on the list? If you calculate the rate of cases per capita, you may get an higher rate than that of Turkey though.

Is there any case against the Dutch army for collaborating with the Serbs to kill the Bosnians, or did they get away with it?

It is interesting that posts regarding human rights just turn into a "your country is worse than mine" debate instead of any concern for the cruelty and suffering.

Until humans can stop this primative tribal behaviour, there is little hope of it ever improving

+10000

JITEM and what they have done are more than just ´ primative tribal behaviour´ really.

They were part of the ´deep state´ and very much related to ´ergenekon case´ in Turkey.

And what they have done can NOT be suported or taken lightly under any circumstances..

They are murderers and they have done all those things with the idea that ´they have been doing it for the sake of Turkey´ ( And they all call themselves ´nationalists´ )

 The "primative tribal behaviour" I was referring to was more about nationalistic inability to see beyond borders.  I wasn´t referring to the actual violations of human rights....there are no words to describe THEM!

Instead of saying what you think about the article, you are pointing again at other countries (in this case mine) as you always do. Are you an austriche, blind for your own countries mistakes? It seems so.

where can i find that place about human rights i wanna see the list :0 i wonder where egypt is, im pretty sure its up on top though

Human Rights Watch is an organization that monitors issues world wide. 

http://www.hrw.org/

thx GG!!

  it was you who made a very irrelevant comparison between Albania and Romania and Turkey, and now you`re telling me that I`m pointing out other countries to cover up things.

Todayszaman = Fethullah Gulen

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fethullah+gulen&meta=

But Turkish republic/people/military is not JITEM,Ergenekon or like this.

I hope you can find somethings about F.Gulen !

And if, IF you read AND understood my posting, you would know that I thought Turkey was/is NOT ´the bad guy´. I was under the impression other countries were worse. But you, nationalist as you are (and be sure that´s not a compliment!) cannot stand anything that even only sounds as criticism to your country. Well wake up dear Tami, there are NO holy people nor holy countries.

what I can`t stand is your inaccurate and unintelligent assumptions. How else could I interpret your comparing a population of 80 millions and one of 3 millions in terms of the total number of cases they face at the human rights court? and you`re still saying that you were under the impression that other countries were worse!

To sum it up, what I`m trying to say is you can`t make any comparison about the violence of human rights between different countries merely by looking at the lawsuit numbers. That has nothing to do with nationalism but basic highschool algebra.

Unintelligent in your eyes is the greatest compliment you can give. I would be scared only when someone with your ideas and views thought otherwise. I hope you are not a role model for Turkish men? If you are.... poor Turkey.

Sorry Trudy, but it was you who drove me to that point!

Weak, very weak, as if you are not a grown man, responsible for his own words and actions. Well, the only ones I know who are not responsible are very little children and some people with certain handicaps. Pick your choice I would say.

I really don´t think it´s appropriate to mention people with "handicaps" in that manner.  No matter what level of ability an individual has, they have their dignity and I don´t think anyone in their right minds would appreciate you using such an analogy to score points over someone.

Zaman = read it from the end to beginning 

= namaZ = search what the namaz is. And think about why it´s name is zaman.

It´s fetullah gulens newspaper. If you dont agree with him. You´re from ergenekon, nationalist, atheist. also nothing.

if you´re female and dont agree with him also you are a wh*re

fetullah gulen cause of the things happened in schools etc. belongs to him  has been prohibited in many countries like Russia, Armania etc.

You are really exaggerating, what is "zaman" means. it is  "time" like "the Times newspaper". also if one a conspiracy theorist and try to read the word from the end to the beginning, can found "namaz" which is means "prayer",  So what?

I think these are offensive accusations. What makes you think that way. can you give an example of these?

 Very well put, it seems Trudy needs to grow up more, poor the Netherlands...

NO!!! poor thread!!poor people!poor world!!!!like look at this site, evrybody here has atleast onre thing in common,were from everywhere around the world and we cant get a long, i know im not free from this charge also, but....we should really try to get over this, if were over reacting on a topic like this no wonder presidents and countries fight!!!and we always wonder why? cant they just settle it out? But i guess if indivuals from fdifferent countries keep insulting each other then this world is doomed!lol, anyway both sides were wrong and both shoud apologize to each other,because, i noticed how the generalizing issue comes up here alot, dont generalize a country on one person!!!!!!again, PLZ PPL!!(please people )

You really make me laugh (:

Please dont act like you dont know anything.

Want prove?

Then :

http://tr.fgulen.com/content/view/8887/12/ 

( fettullah gulen´s web site. )

that text is written by : Şahin Alpay, from Zaman newspaper( check the name at the top )

Lets look what our Zaman newspaper´s writer say;

"......Zaman´ın esas gücü, toplumda mevcut farklı görüşler arasında diyaloğu, karşılıklı anlayışı güçlendirmeye çalışan sağduyulu yayın çizgisinde. Zaman´ın bu çizgisini demokratik kültürün özü demek olan, farklı fikirlere, farklı inançlara, farklı yaşam biçimlerine saygı göstermeyi; farklılar arasında kavga ve düşmanlık değil anlayış ve sevgiyi teşvik eden bir din adamı olan Fethullah Gülen´in düşüncelerine borçlu olduğu konusunda küçük bir tereddüt yok. Christian Science Monitor, bir dini cemaat tarafından kurulduktan sonra zamanla herkesin güvenle okuduğu, kaliteli bir gazete niteliğini kazanan bir Amerikan gazetesi. Bana öyle geliyor ki ABD´de Christian Science Monitor ne ise, Türkiye´de de Zaman o olmak yolunda....."

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" The real power of zaman newspaper is because of the support of  dialogue of the different ideas and the rule of common sencial... etc ..etc.. there is no doubt these are cause of the ideas of the fetullah gulen who is honoroble man ...... "

The following is interesting

"...Christian science monitor, is established by a religional group, then they become a newspaper which is read by the people on trust is an quality american newspaper. I think zaman will be the newspaper what the christian science monitor is,in America.... "

Do you want that fetullah gulen to write you a letter that that newspaper is him ? Or do you want zaman newspaper to announce that that newspaper belongs to a guy under ban in Turkey whose guilt is same as terorrism ?

so everyone can see that there are no statements such as:

I was talking about offensive accusations, Of course "fethullah gülen is the founder of the newspaper" isn´t offensive. is it?

yeap david becham is good football player (:

So?

You are right, I shouldn´t have made that analogy with handicapped people but I got so mad when Tamikidakika was calling me dumb that I forgot to be polite. My apologies.

On the subject of Zaman .... I think many of you know that I write the book page for Sundays Zaman.

Yes, the paper is owned by the Zaman newspaper group, which is linked to Gülen´s organisation.

When a friend and I started writing for them, we decided to see what sort of editorial line they take, and monitor it to see whether we feel we can still be associated with them.

Yes, they do sometimes have articles praising Gulen, and interview people from the organisation, and also report on the activities of the Gulen schools.  BUT it has also been one of the fairest newspapers in Turkey when reporting on subjects such as minority rights, the Malatya trial and other subjects personally of interest to me as a Christian living in Turkey.  For years other "enlightened, modern, western-thinking" media groups have published negative reports about protestant Christians in Turkey (one even gave the home address of an English friend of the German murdered in Malatya).  Todays Zaman, contrary to many fears and expectations, has been fair on the religious front.

It has also continued to support columnists such as Andrew Finkel who can criticise the government, and Ayse Karaagac who can criticise the status quo in Turkey.

Tam - I have to confess that your grammar and command of the English language exceeds that of many native English.

Just who are you eh?

It has everything to do with nationalism I am afraid.

The instinct you are acting upon is smelling  ´raw nationalism´ in your post.

This is the instinct derived from the basic idea that ´there are some foreigners who are attacking my country from outside and I have to defeat them and defend the motherland´.

Trudy is right up there 100% and so as her orig post.

But ´the wrong thing´ is the fact that you trying to  dilute the  argument by pulling it up to an irrelevant corner.

Facts are always facts:

We/Turkey have been one of the worse violaters of human rights in decades.

We/Turkey have been found guilty of violating the human rights and paid million of euros.

Many Turks believe that west is NOT partial in these law suits  against Turkey and ´keep diluting this subject´ with sayings ´ah..this is the west for you; they never like Turkey anyway; they have the same things in their countries blah blah´, instead of trying to raise their voices and try to stop these crimes against our own people..

And because of those many Turks who tend to think that way, there have been all those ´ violations of human rights´ in my country for so many years .

And this conclusion does not even require a basic algebra..

your post makes non sense..

also : like ´there are some nationalists who are attacking me from outside and I have to defeat them and defend myself.´.

Lets look at what the nationalism is

nationalism  = love and support of one´s country..

You cant name some groups who are killing people for their nation as "nationalist groups". No one has to die.They are something like terorrist groups. You know they are many people shouting at the football matches like "turkiye" while they are holding turkish flags. and they also name themselves as "nationalist"..Why they are doing that ?

That has nothing to do with nationalism..Right.

if you name those groups just as a "nationalist groups" and say these are cause of them.. then there is no difference between you and them.