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JİTEM’s illegal actions cost Turkey a fortune
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30.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 28 Aug 2008 Thu 07:58 pm

 

Quoting tamikidakika

what I can`t stand is your inaccurate and unintelligent assumptions. How else could I interpret your comparing a population of 80 millions and one of 3 millions in terms of the total number of cases they face at the human rights court? and you`re still saying that you were under the impression that other countries were worse!

 

To sum it up, what I`m trying to say is you can`t make any comparison about the violence of human rights between different countries merely by looking at the lawsuit numbers. That has nothing to do with nationalism but basic highschool algebra.

 

It has everything to do with nationalism I am afraid.

The instinct you are acting upon is smelling  ´raw nationalism´ in your post.

This is the instinct derived from the basic idea that ´there are some foreigners who are attacking my country from outside and I have to defeat them and defend the motherland´.

Trudy is right up there 100% and so as her orig post.

But ´the wrong thing´ is the fact that you trying to  dilute the  argument by pulling it up to an irrelevant corner.

Facts are always facts:

We/Turkey have been one of the worse violaters of human rights in decades.

We/Turkey have been found guilty of violating the human rights and paid million of euros.


Many Turks believe that west is NOT partial in these law suits  against Turkey and ´keep diluting this subject´ with sayings ´ah..this is the west for you; they never like Turkey anyway; they have the same things in their countries blah blah´, instead of trying to raise their voices and try to stop these crimes against our own people..

 

And because of those many Turks who tend to think that way, there have been all those ´ violations of human rights´ in my country for so many years .

And this conclusion does not even require a basic algebra..

 

 

31.       uYkuSuz
614 posts
 29 Aug 2008 Fri 03:56 am

Quoting thehandsom

It has everything to do with nationalism I am afraid.

The instinct you are acting upon is smelling  ´raw nationalism´ in your post.

This is the instinct derived from the basic idea that ´there are some foreigners who are attacking my country from outside and I have to defeat them and defend the motherland´.

Trudy is right up there 100% and so as her orig post.

But ´the wrong thing´ is the fact that you trying to  dilute the  argument by pulling it up to an irrelevant corner.

Facts are always facts:

We/Turkey have been one of the worse violaters of human rights in decades.

We/Turkey have been found guilty of violating the human rights and paid million of euros.


Many Turks believe that west is NOT partial in these law suits  against Turkey and ´keep diluting this subject´ with sayings ´ah..this is the west for you; they never like Turkey anyway; they have the same things in their countries blah blah´, instead of trying to raise their voices and try to stop these crimes against our own people..

 

And because of those many Turks who tend to think that way, there have been all those ´ violations of human rights´ in my country for so many years .

And this conclusion does not even require a basic algebra..

your post makes non sense..

also : like ´there are some nationalists who are attacking me from outside and I have to defeat them and defend myself.´.

 

Lets look at what the nationalism is

nationalism  = love and support of one´s country..

 

You cant name some groups who are killing people for their nation as "nationalist groups". No one has to die.They are something like terorrist groups. You know they are many people shouting at the football matches like "turkiye" while they are holding turkish flags. and they also name themselves as "nationalist"..Why they are doing that ?

 

That has nothing to do with nationalism..Right.

if you name those groups just as a "nationalist groups" and say these are cause of them.. then there is no difference between you and them.

 

 

 

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