Bad news - 15 soldiers martyrized

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7652246.stm

 do they know who died?

From N.Iraq ( Pkk and their helpers )

Posting about the ***? O-oh, I wonder how long it will be here....

As the post gives a link to an article which doesn´t sympathise with the PKK but is reporting a terrorist attack - according to the Forum Rules below there should be no reason to delete it unless PKK sympathising comments are made in any further posts in this thread.

13. Posts supporting/sympathising with PKK or any other terrorist organization are forbidden. Such posts and their owners may be deleted from the site.

14. Since PKK is a very sensitive topic, discussion of PKK in the forums is limited only to (i) reporting news about a terrorist attack or (ii) reporting a government decision related to PKK. Even these, and related comments may be removed by an administrator or moderator based on personal judgement.

 If "my" topic is problem for site , i think Admin/Mod can delete.But if these are your all words about "it" - As we say "Gölge etme , bakþa ihsan istemez ! " "Dont make shadow , i dont want anything else ! " Sorry but i am sad and i am closer to this place and with soldiers , now !

 It is not a problem Eniser and no need for deletion.  My thoughts are with the families of the soldiers who were killed.

actually it`s a problem. you should have called this Kurdish terrorism. I`m sick of avoiding using this "Kurdish" word for the terrorism they carry out. why is it ok to say Islamic terrorism but not Kurdish terrorism?

 Tami you should be intelligent enough to know that it´s not KURDS that carry out terrorism

go ahead tell us who they are.

Eniser didn´t ´call´ anything anything - he posted an article which seemed to me to fit into the new forum guidelines - stop trying to turn this topic into one that will end up being deleted.

Maybe this would call for some explanation?

Names of the soldiers from general staff´s website and pictures of the soldiers and one of the soldiers family and another family who are kurdish.
Þehitlere Allahtan rahmet ailelerine baþsaðlýðý ve sabýr dilerim. I hope the P-KK will be wiped out soon.

tamikidakika please dont make this a disputed topic. This is nothing about kurds. Turks and Kurds are brothers for centuries. P-KK is a separatist terrorist organization. period.

Genctürk is right.

According to the Turkish Media and Turkish Public Union:

"These  terrorist activities are being planned by some illegal organizations in the western countries against Türkiye and all weapons are from these western countries.They are using this separated terrorist team.."

+1

no, I just asked a simple a question. why is it ok to say Islamic terrorism but not Kurdish terrorism? and no one has answered it.

I will not get into your cliche and childish argument that Kurds and Turks are brothers. I don`t have such a brother personally.

This is your usual, angry, revengeful attitude. Then don´t call it islamic terrorism, ok?

it`s you who calls it Islamic terrorism, catwoman, but when I say Kurdish terrorism that drives you nuts.

If it is a personal issue you have, pm me about it.

it`s not a personal issue. just google "islamic terrorism" and see how widely this phrase is used. as for our discussion here, I don`t think we need pm`s for that. you can tell us why it`s ok for you to say islamic terrorism but not kurdish terrorism.

childish argument? I am thankfull that your ideas are extreme in this country. Yes I am agree with that there is no islamic terrorism . dont do the same you are not agree with. So dont say kurdish terrorism while majority of kurds are not supporting pkk.

I think both sides here are right in some points. Calling it kurdish terrorism does not mean that all of the kurds are terrorists. In every foreign newspaper it´s marked kurdish rebels, and it does not mean that all kurds are rebels. So, I think in theory there´s nothing wrong in calling it kurdish terrorism. The majority of these terrorists are kurds and their main aim is to establish Kurdistan.

On the other side it is a delicate subject as we all know and the Kurds that have no connection with terrorism might feel uncomfortable with it and it can create prejudices against them. Human brain works in a way that it has a tendency to associate two things when they are mentioned together many times.

Though it should be stated that they are "kurdish terrorists" not "kurdish rebels".

I must say that I am beginning to hate to see people who are so ready to show ´how racist and hateful they are towards the kurdish people´ and  turn these tragic events into parades of ´vomiting their ugly nationalism´.

I´m gonna use your own words: so because SOME Kurds are terrorists and do their deeds to establish a country for themselves, it is ok to call it Kurdish terrorism? Even when most Kurds do NOT support their actions? Then it must be correct as well to talk about Islamic terrorism as SOME people who SAY they are muslim are terrorists to establish their country based on Islamic laws - umah it´s called I think. Most muslims do not support their acts, I know, but according to your theory that is not important.

tüm þehitlerimize Allah´tan rahmet,kederli ailelerine sabýr ve baþsaðlýðý diliyor,beceriksiz siyasetçilerimize ve kanla beslenen tüm hainlerede Allah´tan inayet diliyoruz..

 We wish mercy from Allah for all our martyrs, patience and ´condolences´ (??) for the grieving families, and we wish for help from god to our incompetent politicians and traitors who are fed with blood.

Something like that I guess, for non-turkish members.

 ty for translation DK..

 You´re welcome. Not sure about ´baþsaðlýlýk´ and ´inayet dilemek´ though.

 Yes, I think it´ correct to say both "Islamic terrorism" and "Kurdish terrorism", and it does not mean that muslims and kurds are terrorists. Gramatically they are adjectives and they just describe the act. They do not give any further conclusions.

 My point of view too but tell that to others, like Tamikidakika.

 But is it really important when people are killed? May they rest in peace.

I know it was not important to me how people, who were keeping my city under constant heavy artillery fire for 3 years, were called, I only wanted them to stop.

hey is semdinli near sirnak?

Depends on what you call ´near´. I would say not, it´s east of Hakkari, first village/town from the Iraki border (on my map).

I see.. i just thought its close because sirnak is also aat border with war zone with irak..thank u

 Ãnna lillahi ve ina ilayhi raceon !

Thanks to gencturk for the names
They´re all so young.

And it is true, I am a kurd (by family) and was born in Turkey, and I see both as my home.
We are all brothers and sisters, kurds in Turkey are happy. Who needs to own land, when we can still live peacefully and healthfully together?

May all the soldiers that died from this Pkk rest in peace, enough lifes have been wasted by these thoughts that only a very minuscle minority of kurds feel.

Inşallah this ends very soon.
Allah kerim

 +1000

It´s a disrespectful generalization to say that terrorism in Turkey is carried out by kurds. It´s carried out by the organization which may not be named, not kurds as a people. Stating otherwise is a low-blow and does nothing but put fuel on the fire. It is so hard to understand?

 Meltem you said it yourself that when people see two words put together over and over, they start to believe it. I don´t see how that harmonises with what you are saying above.

 I agree with gencturk too.  It is an organization carrying out these atrocities.  When the IRA were committing their terrorist acts it was "the IRA" not "the Irish" who were referred to in the news. Turkey is not the only nation who has problems with groups fighting for autonomy.  And as far as terrorism in the name of Islam is concerned, it´s a similar situation . . . not a nation, not a faith but an organization carrying out most of the terrorist acts eg. Al-Qaeda.