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Very good article about the current position about Terrorism in Turkey
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10.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 04:20 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

I find him shollow , not because I disagree with him (I respect many writers with whom I disagree), because he is shallow and the way he is writing is reminding me the chats you get in kahvehanes..(ie following only a few papers, watching the news only from the telly, not bothering to think if there might be another angle, accepting everything what genarals say etc etc)

Eli silahlý teröristlere habire af çýkarýrken; Ýstiklal Madalyasý sahibi Jandarma Genel Komutaný’ný hapse atýp, beyin kanamasý geçirene kadar içerde tutmadýk mý?


Oha.. was there an amnesty and did we not hear it?

Well, I am on the writer side and I would ask the same question. That´s your opinion.

 

PKK’ya yataklýk yaptýðý için hapiste yatan kadýný, çýkarýp, Meclis’e sokarken, Cumhurbaþkaný’nýn masasýna davet ederken; 1’inci Ordu Komutaný’ný ´terör örgütü kurmak´tan içeri týkmadýk mý?

 

Oha2.. If the head of 1st army is guilty WHY NOT!!. And ask yourself if that woman -Leyla Zana- had any weapon in her hands!! When is that man going to understand what is terrorism what is ´freedom of expressing opinion´ is?

He’s not talking about Zana. He’s talking about somebody who helped the terorists. If there is a crime, it should be punished. What´s the crime got to do with "freedem of expression"?

 

Þehide ´kelle´ dediði için tazminat ödemeye mahkûm olan, ´Askerlik yan gelip yatma yeri deðildir ca -ným kardeþim´ diyen Baþbakan’a, ´Bravo, aynen devam´ deyip, yüzde 47 oy vermedik mi?


Oha3. Disrespecting half of the population because they voted for AKP.

We know what/who our "Hükümetin baþý" is. What can you expect from an "Imam"? He always shows us what he knows of anything with his speeches everyday (I should say what he doesn´t actually). I am speechless for those who voted for him (not his Party, without him AKP wouldn´t get that many votes).

 

PKK, hastalanmamasý için serçe parmaðýnýn tansiyonu bile ölçülen Abdullah Öcalan’ýn saçý kesildi diye, kal -kýþma provasý yapýp, Diyarbakýr’ý yakýp yýktýðýnda, polisin-askerin elini tutup, ´Cana geleceðine mala gel -sin´ diyen Diyarbakýr Valisi’ne ´aferin´ deyip, Baþbakanlýk Müsteþarý yapmadýk mý?


Oha4. Would it be better if there were many deaths?

TheI am afraid there will be more deaths in the future. We are going to a separation with Kurds.

 

´Amerika istedi diye harekátý kýsa kestik, içerde parça býraktýk, o kamplarý tutmamýz gerekirdi´ dediði için, neredeyse ´vatan haini´ ilan edilen Deniz Baykal, o kamplardan gelen teröristler önceki gün Aktütün’ü bastýðýnda haklý çýkmadý mý?

 

Oha 5. Everybody but everybody knew those northern iraq incursions were not resulting into anything..Including the army..It was a political game from the beginning..

Anyway..I wont answer the rest...

Come on we were rendering terrorist ineffective. Had we stayed a few more days more of these bastards we would get rid of. Weren´t we ordered by US to stop it? I find Baykal´s statement right. By the way who´s side are you on? I have a feeling that you are here on this site to make PKK propaganda?

 

 

 

11.       teaschip
3870 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 04:49 pm

Could somebody interpretate this for us, so we can follow along?{#lang_emotions_bigsmile}

12.       azade
1606 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 05:01 pm

 

Quoting si++

Come on we were rendering terrorist ineffective. Had we stayed a few more days more of these bastards we would get rid of. Weren´t we ordered by US to stop it? I find Baykal´s statement right. By the way who´s side are you on? I have a feeling that you are here on this site to make PKK propaganda?

 

 Si, it hasn´t been helping for ages and ages, so how can more dead innocent ERs and civillians contribute to a solution in the future? PKK will fight to the last person standing, because they believe in their cause so much, and more people join them not in spite of but because of the army´s actions. The army generals who are so busy with failing campaigns should just go out there themselves and fight. Maybe then they would learn a thing or two about sending privates out in hopeless situations.

It´s time for dialog and more should be done to keep civilians safe and to prevent attacks in public places. Or I´m afraid it´s just a neverending battle.

 

Wait I forgot - is this a no-no according to the new rules?

13.       mltm
3690 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 05:25 pm

A reminder: PKK subject is not open to discussion.

14.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 05:28 pm

Quote:

Oha.. was there an amnesty and did we not hear it?

Well, I am on the writer side and I would ask the same question. That´s your opinion.

Obviously I am NOT on the writer´s side on this.. where is the amnesty he has been talking about? and about the general, what if he is guilty? (well..There was an organization in that branch of the army called JITEM..Because of that many more should be taken to the court)

 

PKK’ya yataklýk yaptýðý için hapiste yatan kadýný, çýkarýp, Meclis’e sokarken, Cumhurbaþkaný’nýn masasýna davet ederken; 1’inci Ordu Komutaný’ný ´terör örgütü kurmak´tan içeri týkmadýk mý?

 

Oha2.. If the head of 1st army is guilty WHY NOT!!. And ask yourself if that woman -Leyla Zana- had any weapon in her hands!! When is that man going to understand what is terrorism what is ´freedom of expressing opinion´ is?

He’s not talking about Zana. He’s talking about somebody who helped the terorists. If there is a crime, it should be punished. What´s the crime got to do with "freedem of expression"?

I was not aware of that..But my example Leyla Zana would not be wrong here..Do you know how many years did she spend in jail while she never had any weapons in her hands? 

 

Þehide ´kelle´ dediði için tazminat ödemeye mahkûm olan, ´Askerlik yan gelip yatma yeri deðildir ca -ným kardeþim´ diyen Baþbakan’a, ´Bravo, aynen devam´ deyip, yüzde 47 oy vermedik mi?


Oha3. Disrespecting half of the population because they voted for AKP.

We know what/who our "Hükümetin baþý" is. What can you expect from an "Imam"? He always shows us what he knows of anything with his speeches everyday (I should say what he doesn´t actually). I am speechless for those who voted for him (not his Party, without him AKP wouldn´t get that many votes).

Actually, you have to ask the army´s bending arm tactics, messing with politics etc for AKP´s success..

Your country´s people voted for him.

 

PKK, hastalanmamasý için serçe parmaðýnýn tansiyonu bile ölçülen Abdullah Öcalan’ýn saçý kesildi diye, kal -kýþma provasý yapýp, Diyarbakýr’ý yakýp yýktýðýnda, polisin-askerin elini tutup, ´Cana geleceðine mala gel -sin´ diyen Diyarbakýr Valisi’ne ´aferin´ deyip, Baþbakanlýk Müsteþarý yapmadýk mý?


Oha4. Would it be better if there were many deaths?

TheI am afraid there will be more deaths in the future. We are going to a separation with Kurds.

yes, I am afraid, there will be more deaths too but the responsiblity will be on the people who insist that "we go and we kill, we finish, they are all terrorists, we dont talk to any one, there is not kurdish problem" . Personally, nationalisms on both sides will be responsible.

 

´Amerika istedi diye harekátý kýsa kestik, içerde parça býraktýk, o kamplarý tutmamýz gerekirdi´ dediði için, neredeyse ´vatan haini´ ilan edilen Deniz Baykal, o kamplardan gelen teröristler önceki gün Aktütün’ü bastýðýnda haklý çýkmadý mý?

 

Oha 5. Everybody but everybody knew those northern iraq incursions were not resulting into anything..Including the army..It was a political game from the beginning..

Anyway..I wont answer the rest...

Come on we were rendering terrorist ineffective. Had we stayed a few more days more of these bastards we would get rid of. Weren´t we ordered by US to stop it? I find Baykal´s statement right. By the way who´s side are you on? I have a feeling that you are here on this site to make PKK propaganda?
And because "I dont think going to northern iraq was a good idea" makes me a pkk propagandist? There are millions in Turkey thinking in the same way..
OHA yani..

15.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 05:49 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Anyway..I wont answer the rest...

Come on we were rendering terrorist ineffective. Had we stayed a few more days more of these bastards we would get rid of. Weren´t we ordered by US to stop it? I find Baykal´s statement right. By the way who´s side are you on? I have a feeling that you are here on this site to make PKK propaganda?
And because "I dont think going to northern iraq was a good idea" makes me a pkk propagandist? There are millions in Turkey thinking in the same way..
OHA yani..

 

 

Never mind, it´s just a feeling. You can´t help it. I can´t help it either.

16.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 05:53 pm

 

Quoting azade

Si, it hasn´t been helping for ages and ages, so how can more dead innocent ERs and civillians contribute to a solution in the future? PKK will fight to the last person standing, because they believe in their cause so much, and more people join them not in spite of but because of the army´s actions. The army generals who are so busy with failing campaigns should just go out there themselves and fight. Maybe then they would learn a thing or two about sending privates out in hopeless situations.So you think we should blame the army generals for this. No there is more than that.

It´s time for dialog and more should be done to keep civilians safe and to prevent attacks in public places. Or I´m afraid it´s just a neverending battle.Right, it never ends until a civil war followed by separation and that´s what some big guys outside of Turkey wants!

 

Wait I forgot - is this a no-no according to the new rules?

 

 

17.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 06:26 pm

 

Quoting si++

Never mind, it´s just a feeling. You can´t help it. I can´t help it either.

Well..

I hope next time you wont accuse people in a way you did up there

Because, People will ask ´where is the proof?´.

´Ahh it is just a feeling!!´ wont be a good answer!

 

18.       si++
3785 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 06:33 pm

 

Quoting thehandsom

Well..

I hope next time you wont accuse people in a way you did up there

Because, People will ask ´where is the proof?´.

´Ahh it is just a feeling!!´ wont be a good answer!

 

Well, I have stated that "I have a feeling...". If you take it as an accusition, so be it.

19.       thehandsom
7403 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 06:39 pm

 

Quoting si++

Well, I have stated that "I have a feeling...". If you take it as an accusition, so be it.

 

I have already told you ´i have a feeling that you are a pkk propagandist´ is not good enough.

You have to prove and show how you come to the conclusion.

If you can NOT, you open the gates of slur here such as:

´I have a feeling that you are this´

´I have a feeling that you are that´

20.       Elisabeth
5732 posts
 14 Oct 2008 Tue 06:43 pm

I have a feeling that this thread will be locked!  But I have no proof.

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