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RELIGION
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:37 am |
They were Turkish citizens!
There are also ´ethnically´ Turks who are christian. I hate the word ´ethnically´, but I just wanted to stress that its not only the ones who are citizens of Turkey, but also the ones who are ´ethnically´ Turk. Most of the ones I have come across were converts, who grew up in a Muslim family, or who came from a family who was converted 1 or more generations ago.
but I do think most of the Christians in Turkey are from ´foreign´ origine, as you said Syrians for example. But its not true that there arent any ethnically Turk christians.
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:40 am |
Yes there are. But I think there are more Turkish Christians who do not say it openly.. I know of the murders on Christian Turks in Malatya. One of the reasons I wont forget it is because the name of the daughter of the murdered man was my own name, Esther.
As for Turkish people who openly say it: I twice went to a church in Ãzmir. I think it was called the ´light church, church of light, smt like that´. It had an international sphere. I went there with a Brazilian catholic family of mine who also lives in Ãzmir. They asked me and Kadir to come for the Eastern and Christmas celebration. There were mainly foreigners in the church who happened to live in Ãzmir (germans, british, brazilian etc), but also some from the east (I spoke to a few Iranians, who said the moved to Ãzmir because of their religion, it was safer to practice it openly there than in their own country), but also some Turks! Some of them said they are open about it. But not all of them are: a week later we ran into a Christian Turkish couple in a shopping mall. They were with friends and immediately told us in English, so that their friends would not udnerstand, not to mention the fact we had met them in church..
ooh.... i guess Turk christians who are expected to be islam are criticized? i know of someone who is very devoted to islam religion, and that a Turk or a muslim who wants to convert into Christianity isn´t a muslim at all, and that all non-muslim or non-islam will go to hell... hehe...
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:40 am |
There are also ´ethnically´ Turks who are christian. I hate the word ´ethnically´, but I just wanted to stress that its not only the ones who are citizens of Turkey, but also the ones who are ´ethnically´ Turk. Most of the ones I have come across were converts, who grew up in a Muslim family, or who came from a family who was converted 1 or more generations ago.
but I do think most of the Christians in Turkey are from ´foreign´ origine, as you said Syrians for example. But its not true that there arent any ethnically Turk christians.
right but as you said almost all of them are converts which don`t constitute a large number, and they don`t have any Historic root to Christianity. Of course you can`t determine who follows what religion on the personal level.
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:42 am |
We are not amused!
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:43 am |
ooh.... i guess Turk christians who are expected to be islam are criticized? i know of someone who is very devoted to islam religion, and that a Turk or a muslim who wants to convert into Christianity isn´t a muslim at all, and that all non-muslim or non-islam will go to hell... hehe...
now that makes me wonder how old you are
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:45 am |
I amsterdam
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:46 am |
now that makes me wonder how old you are
21... sooooooooooo.... like i said... i was told by a friend, that it´s unspeakable for a muslim to convert to christianity. true?
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:46 am |
I amsterdam
you meant we aresterdam, didn´t you?
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:48 am |
21... sooooooooooo.... like i said... i was told by a friend, that it´s unspeakable for a muslim to convert to christianity. true?
depends on where you are. can smn who lives in a redneck village in Alabama convert to Islam openly? Likewise you can`t do that in the eastern provinces in Turkey.
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:51 am |
depends on where you are. can smn who lives in a redneck village in Alabama convert to Islam openly? Likewise you can`t do that in the eastern provinces in Turkey.
You are right.
As for the western provinces in Turkey: it´s better to be a Christian than an atheist But that is my personal experience.
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08 Dec 2008 Mon 01:54 am |
21... sooooooooooo.... like i said... i was told by a friend, that it´s unspeakable for a muslim to convert to christianity. true?
That is kind of true..
It is a kind of shame in many parts, including the west part of Turkey..
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