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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:09 pm |
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1) I don´t know of any "rights" for invading Iraq, like I made clear in several posts of mine I have been against the war in Iraq from the beginning. What I was saying is that my opinion is based on my perception and it may not be based on compelte information. And so is your, you don´t have access to intelligence and the same information that your Prime Minister would, so I don´t think you´re as informed about it as you´d like to think you are.
If you don´t know of any right reason to invade Iraq, what are you defending? Of course we are given the same information as you...that there were "weapons of mass distruction" of which they had no evidence, and which has since been proved completely false. I don´t see your point. With regard to Blair, he felt "obliged" to join the US invasion, despite very strong opposition from his own cabinet, government and the public...and now realises it was his downfall.
2) The number refers to the number of "hits" not people. It would indeed be disgusting if it was just people. If you look at polls, the opinions have been split more or less down the middle, so that brings the numbers up to 150 million of people who don´t agree with the decision to go to war. I´m not going to ask you how many people are against the war in YOUR population, I don´t care and I don´t think it matters. I think everybody should be against killing other people and in any case your opinon or mine does not matter to the person who´s going to send the troops over.
Strange - these are the same people who voted Bush back into power with a majority at the previous election to this 
Actually OUR opinion does matter - it is what democracy is all about or should I say SUPPOSED TO BE about.
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:12 pm |
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Of course I didn´t smile...but please tell me what 9/11 has to do with the invasion of Iraq? 
I am interested 
The only people who smiled when those planes hit the wtc were neocons and their redneck supporters.
btw. I want to learn what 9/11 has to do with Iraq too. I think some idiots confuse Iraq with Afghanistan.
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:14 pm |
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You generalize TheAenigma. That´s Theproblem! Generalization! Bush started the war after he was elected. I cannot explain why the American people elected him AGAIN, but he started the war in Iraq after he was elected. He started it right after 9/11. You better believe the American people thought something should be done. Americans are not just going to sit on their ass and do nothing, and I don´t blame them. So he didn´t exactly do the right thing, but troops were sent to Afganistan too, and don´t tell me Afganistan didn´t ask for it.
Again, I am astounded as to why the American people thought invading Iraq had anything to do with 9/11!!!! Afghanistan? And tell me, what have they achieved there?
Why not Saudi Arabia? The pilots were, after all, from Saudi (ohh wait, I forgot, they like to keep Saudi Arabia as friends for SOME reason!  )
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:17 pm |
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So the power of the US is on a downward slide. Fine. Then somebody else better pick up the slack, and we all know who it won´t be and who it will be. The UK is 2nd in command, and if America isn´t the most powerful country in the world, Britian will be. There is a reason for that. Democracy, freedom of speech, a secular government, freedom of speech, and democracy. Oh, and did I mention freedom of speech and secular government? No many countries have both, even if they claim they do.
Teaschip, thanks for the support. It is nice to chat with someone else who can finally see both sides.
Dont be ridiculous!!!! You are showing your ignorance if you think Britain is capable of being the worlds biggest power now!!!
Why do you assume the richest and most powerful country will emerge from the west?
(Apologies to Tam for my use of "west" )
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:19 pm |
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Of course I didn´t smile...but please tell me what 9/11 has to do with the invasion of Iraq?
I am interested
Really? You seem to know so much. I won´t claim to KNOW but here is my PERCEPTION.
After 9/11, America felt vulnerable, of course. There had been no attacks on American soil since Pearl Harbor, and before that, no battle in America since the Civil War. So America started looking for the culprits so they could go kick their asses. I say again, does anyone blame them? I think that´s the reaction that was expected by those terrorists. They wanted America to feel vulnerable.
So in the search to find the culprit, bin Laden came to the forefront of course. But he didn´t act alone obviously, so America targeted Afganistan and anyone with ties to Afganistan. Need I say more?
Again, this is just my very basic, I´m-not-an-attorney-or-government-official understanding of it all. Perhaps the American government sees their mistake now, but the war in Iraq, like I´ve said before, has turned into something different now than when it first began.
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 04:34 pm |
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Really? You seem to know so much. I won´t claim to KNOW but here is my PERCEPTION.
After 9/11, America felt vulnerable, of course. There had been no attacks on American soil since Pearl Harbor, and before that, no battle in America since the Civil War. So America started looking for the culprits so they could go kick their asses. I say again, does anyone blame them? I think that´s the reaction that was expected by those terrorists. They wanted America to feel vulnerable.
So in the search to find the culprit, bin Laden came to the forefront of course. But he didn´t act alone obviously, so America targeted Afganistan and anyone with ties to Afganistan. Need I say more?
Again, this is just my very basic, I´m-not-an-attorney-or-government-official understanding of it all. Perhaps the American government sees their mistake now, but the war in Iraq, like I´ve said before, has turned into something different now than when it first began.
Hahaha so "America" (I notice you don´t say US - perhaps you mean North America? ) gets it´s ass kicked and just goes out to kill who the hell they like as revenge?!! Yeah, actually now you say it, I can see you are right. Typical US attititude. So you look for ONE person (Bin Ladan) and completely destroy two countries in the process, and still FAIL your task?!?! You ask "does anybody blame them?" well yes, believe it or not they are not World Police and yes they breach international law.HAHAHAHA!!!!
You should go and do some research, even dumb old Bush was not silly enough to ever claim that invading Iraq had anything to do with 9/11 - instead he lied about some "weapons of mass distruction" trusting that the US public would be scared and angry enough to believe they were under threat of attack...
I love your way of seeing it....nothing to do with "taking a good chance while you have the American people baying for blood then??? Nothing to do with using the situation to your own ends??? Think about it...
It was really interesting hearing your ignorant views...very enlightening actually! God bless "America"!
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 05:02 pm |
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People fail to forget that U.S. troops found thousands of boxes of powder and manuals in Baghdad which is used to make chemical warfare. Although they found no weapons of mass destruction...they found substances (yellow cake) needed to make these. Hmm, wonder what Saddam was going to do with these? I guess we should have sat back and just waited to see. 
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 05:07 pm |
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People fail to forget that U.S. troops found thousands of boxes of powder and manuals in Baghdad which is used to make chemical warfare. Although they found no weapons of mass destruction...they found substances (yellow cake) needed to make these. Hmm, wonder what Saddam was going to do with these? I guess we should have sat back and just waited to see.
Since when did the US consider themselves to be World Police? Shall we invade the US and see what weapons they have?
As Saddam was put in power by the US, I am sure they provided most of that stuff too
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 05:16 pm |
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Since when did the US consider themselves to be World Police? Shall we invade the US and see what weapons they have?
As Saddam was put in power by the US, I am sure they provided most of that stuff too
That line has been used over and over again...somewhat tiring actually. zzzzzzz
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 05:34 pm |
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somewhat tiring actually. zzzzzzz
Finally something i can agree with....its tiring !
But i cant afford to zzzzzzzz as you do,its luxry for us,as long as you ´US´ still here in the area,one must watch for his back
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17 Dec 2008 Wed 05:39 pm |
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Finally something i can agree with....its tiring !
But i cant afford to zzzzzzzz as you do,its luxry for us,as long as you ´US´ still here in the area,one must watch for his back
I´m watching you Canli....
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