blah blah blah, alameda.

yeah, i can imagine caravan robbers being so clean and bathing everyday in what? in sand?

 people in anatolia region always bathed before they were called turks. its not tribes from central asia brought bath to turkey but on the contrary they learnt it there.

the same with arabs, they knew nothing about bath until they conquested (invaded, occupied) byzantine lands where they felt a touch of civilization.

 Evidently you need to refresh your historic knowledge....

 

You have heard of the kervansary, also called hans, haven´t you?

 

The Seljuk Han in Anatolia  there are nice photographs of them here.

 
The phoenicians used to have hot baths in the city of Gadara.
Today, the archaeological site of ancient Gadara ajoins the Jordanian village of Um-

Qeis (http://research.haifa.ac.il/~mluz/gadara.folder/gadara2.html)

 

In my opinion, the bathing history has to do at the first place with the availability of water in order to bath no?

It is logical that the arabic tribes from the arabian peninsula (and that includes  the 2 christian tribes the Ghassanids and the Montherits) are not very much into regular bathing since they live in the desert and the scarce water they had was mostly used for drinking.

 

If anyone is interested here is the link to the history of bath http://www.soapguild.org/docs/public/HistoryOfTheBath.pdf

 what you talk is that its all are pre-islamic.

thank you.

 blah blah blah, alameda, you propaganda machine. what does it have to do with islam?

 

Your earlier message:

 

i can imagine caravan robbers being so clean and bathing everyday in what? in sand?

 I have given you the source where the caravan people bathed.

Regarding Islam, there are clear guidlines for cleanliness in Islam, as the kervansaray was an Islamic institution for trade, and a means to fulfill religious requirements, one of them being cleanliness, it relates to Islamic principals.  

blah blah blah, alameda. but there was no bath involved into this ritual. arabs among whom mohammed lived had no bath. they hardly had a drinking water.

blah blah blah alameda, you islamic propaganda machine.

 

The Christian world during that time did not bath regularly as they were ashamed to disrobe or touch their bodies.....thus used boquets of flowers and perfumes to cover the malodor caused by infrequent bathing.

are we talking about christian world? why did you shift the subject onto christian world? btw, it depends on which part of christian world you were talking about. bath was very popular within the romans and greeks.

hahaha, what does christianity have to do with this? why do you insist on saying about christian arabs (that i can count them on my fingers) in this thread? i just dont understand your obsession with christianity

 

Religion has nothing to do with bathing habits nevertheless Islam encouraged washing and bathing and it was adopted in the religeous rituals which is good.  The fact that muslims wash 5 times a day before prayer is something good and should be noted.

 

I just try to draw attention that we should not confound being an arab and being muslim. There are arab christians and i doubt you can count them on your fingers

Accordning to wikipedia there are 5 million arab christians  between syrian, iraq, lebanon and jordan. I donno how much there are in egypt, may be 3 millions.

 

they were unclean and still are thats my point. and tell this to alameda (to our islamic propaganda machine, who takes out of her pockets lots of lies)

 

May be they were not very clean when they didnt have enough water but I dont agree that they are unclean nowadays with their sea water desalinization plants.  The water consumption for example in saudia nowadays is between 200 and 280 liters per capita per day , a level similar to the US (again according to wikipedia). Basing ones opinion on facts is better than  basing it on emotions. They consume water for example more than the italians (110l/capita/day) so whether we like it or not by this standard they are clean and the italians are dirty

good point. tel this too to your friend alameda.

yes my friend i will tell her this

 Bathing was popular with the Romans and Greeks during the pagan times....it declined with the onset of Christianity.

buff, alameda, puff alameda gosh, wheres your proof and your link to that?

 

the reason we are talking about this is because we are discussing a specific time in history regarding the wedding flowers to mask the stench of body odors during the Ottoman times.

yet, im to look at this at a deeper angle

 

.....the Ottoman times were Islamic.

yes, whom from ottomans learnt bathing? from arabs?

 

The English during that time did not bath.

fine, by me.

The Ottoman Empire started in 1299.

oh, alameda, thank you. i didnt know this, you opened my eyes

Those years were known as the Dark Ages in Europe.

yes, those dark ages europe proved to be something else today than golden age islamic world