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Erdogan at Davos
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01 Feb 2009 Sun 04:03 am |
There are, I believe, 7 of them now, so we´re getting there.
Panem et circenses.
it would be nice if they were all together in one thread.....is that possible?
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 02:28 am |
The political language of Turkey
There is big difference between Turkey and America in terms of political culture. Unlike his American counterpart, Turkish PM can simply wake up, read something in the paper, feel annoyed about it, and then comment on it directly to the media without much calculation.
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You can see this emotional and inflammatory rhetoric not just in the politics of Turkey, but also in the daily life of ordinary Turks. In Turkish films and soap operas, lovers very often yell at each other saying things like, "I hate you," "You are disgusting," or even "I want to kill you." Next day, or even the next hour, the same couple shows up again in a Romeo and Juliet mode. ...
Oh, you hit me!
Even physical expressions of anger are more tolerated in Turkey more than in other, especially Western, cultures. When I was a kid, I would be surprised by a theme I repeatedly saw in American movies: In the midst of a heated discussion, a father would put a slap on the face of his disobedient teenage child. The child would be shocked, look at the angry father with a stunned face, and say, "oh, you hit me." Then the kid would angrily run to his or her room, slam the door, and leave behind a regretting dad. But in Turkey, if you get a slap from your parents, you are not supposed to be surprised that much. "Oh, you made your father angry and he gave you some tough love," your mother will tell you. The fact that his emotions led him to take excessive action is not criticized. The distance between feeling the anger, and putting it into words and acts, is not that big here.
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... Later he will easily be able to say, "Oh, I didn´t mean that, I was just angry." ..
The recent remarks of Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan in the face of the brutal Israeli assault on Gaza should be understood in this context. ....
..such magnified words are used very freely in Turkey. Almost all camps label each other as "fascists," and blame them for "high treason." It is just not a very meticulous country in terms of its political language.
... former American Consul General to Istanbul, David Arnett, wrote for the Turkish Policy Quarterly three years ago: "The Importance of Emotion in Turkish-American Relations." If one does not get that emotion factor, one does not get Turkey at all.
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=10906065&yazarid=301
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 12:20 pm |
ahahaha that tells everything. again nice analyses.
btw, stop reading simple newspaper articles written by simple people, its time for tougher food like shock doctrine!
when shall you start educating yourself finally? and pls, work on your english!
The political language of Turkey
There is big difference between Turkey and America in terms of political culture. Unlike his American counterpart, Turkish PM can simply wake up, read something in the paper, feel annoyed about it, and then comment on it directly to the media without much calculation.
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You can see this emotional and inflammatory rhetoric not just in the politics of Turkey, but also in the daily life of ordinary Turks. In Turkish films and soap operas, lovers very often yell at each other saying things like, "I hate you," "You are disgusting," or even "I want to kill you." Next day, or even the next hour, the same couple shows up again in a Romeo and Juliet mode. ...
Oh, you hit me!
Even physical expressions of anger are more tolerated in Turkey more than in other, especially Western, cultures. When I was a kid, I would be surprised by a theme I repeatedly saw in American movies: In the midst of a heated discussion, a father would put a slap on the face of his disobedient teenage child. The child would be shocked, look at the angry father with a stunned face, and say, "oh, you hit me." Then the kid would angrily run to his or her room, slam the door, and leave behind a regretting dad. But in Turkey, if you get a slap from your parents, you are not supposed to be surprised that much. "Oh, you made your father angry and he gave you some tough love," your mother will tell you. The fact that his emotions led him to take excessive action is not criticized. The distance between feeling the anger, and putting it into words and acts, is not that big here.
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... Later he will easily be able to say, "Oh, I didn´t mean that, I was just angry." ..
The recent remarks of Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan in the face of the brutal Israeli assault on Gaza should be understood in this context. ....
..such magnified words are used very freely in Turkey. Almost all camps label each other as "fascists," and blame them for "high treason." It is just not a very meticulous country in terms of its political language.
... former American Consul General to Istanbul, David Arnett, wrote for the Turkish Policy Quarterly three years ago: "The Importance of Emotion in Turkish-American Relations." If one does not get that emotion factor, one does not get Turkey at all.
http://hurarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/goster/haber.aspx?id=10906065&yazarid=301
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 02:52 pm |
That´s a nice analysis, sure Turks seem more emotional than Europe or the US so that explains a lot
The political language of Turkey
There is big difference between Turkey and America in terms of political culture. Unlike his American counterpart, Turkish PM can simply wake up, read something in the paper, feel annoyed about it, and then comment on it directly to the media without much calculation.
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You can see this emotional and inflammatory rhetoric not just in the politics of Turkey, but also in the daily life of ordinary Turks. In Turkish films and soap operas, lovers very often yell at each other saying things like, "I hate you," "You are disgusting," or even "I want to kill you." Next day, or even the next hour, the same couple shows up again in a Romeo and Juliet mode. ...
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 03:26 pm |
My analysis is far more better than those sneaky writers, i only do not use any flowery language. Yeah the only problem in his attitude to criticize, is his emotions and political language he used .
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 04:32 pm |
oh no. we know what it is ,
you post your opinion. and when we praise and frame it, you will say: no, its not actually my opinion i just copied it from real analysts
get off, you copycat!
My analysis is far more better than those sneaky writers, i only do not use any flowery language. Yeah the only problem in his attitude to criticize, is his emotions and political language he used .
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 05:43 pm |
Dont reveal my sources´ secrecy, you faulty.
By the way, i have already watched on tv; Baykal the copycat had stolen my opinions, said exactly the same things in meeting i wrote here .
p.s: I need to work on my English
oh no. we know what it is ,
you post your opinion. and when we praise and frame it, you will say: no, its not actually my opinion i just copied it from real analysts
get off, you copycat!
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 06:09 pm |
Why do we need to have 4 threads about this topic?
Actually i think it deserve even more than that
Well Canli, doesn´t this break forum rules? Please don´t tell me you are picking and choosing which one(s) you enforce.
http://turkishclass.com/tc/TurkishClassRulesAndTerms.php
6. Consecutive messages and cross-posting across different forums, or starting two identical threads should be avoided. Do not open a new thread on multiple forums. Find a suitable forum and post it there only.
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 07:20 pm |
GG....are you suggesting that we have one thread about any given subject....like say....ummmmm Evil Israel, Evil America, Turkish mother in laws, headscarves, ect......do they have to stay on topic too?
Well Canli, doesn´t this break forum rules? Please don´t tell me you are picking and choosing which one(s) you enforce.
http://turkishclass.com/tc/TurkishClassRulesAndTerms.php
6. Consecutive messages and cross-posting across different forums, or starting two identical threads should be avoided. Do not open a new thread on multiple forums. Find a suitable forum and post it there only.
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 07:36 pm |
GG....are you suggesting that we have one thread about any given subject....like say....ummmmm Evil Israel, Evil America, Turkish mother in laws, headscarves, ect......do they have to stay on topic too?
Nope, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I was simply pointing out an inconsistency in an application of rules.
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03 Feb 2009 Tue 07:55 pm |
Nope, it makes absolutely no difference to me at all. I was simply pointing out an inconsistency in an application of rules.
I am shocked by this!!
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