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The English Join Kurdish Terrorists to fight Turkey
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 01:41 pm |
TimesOnline: "BRITONS are among foreigners fighting Turkish troops with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in northern Iraq, The Sunday Times can reveal." "According to PKK fighters holed up in one of the natural fortresses of the Qandil mountain range which runs along Iraq’s Turkish and Iranian borders, several Europeans have joined forces with their group." "At least three Britons were in the PKK’s 3,000-strong force, boasted one fighter as he and a group of men huddled in a room discussing the latest clashes with the Turkish army. Others include Russians, Germans, Greeks, Iranians and Arabs. The PKK is labelled by both Europe and America as a terrorist organisation..."
http://americanturk.blogspot.com/2007/10/britons-join-kurdish-rebels-to-fight.html
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 01:55 pm |
TimesOnline: "BRITONS are among foreigners fighting Turkish troops with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) in northern Iraq, The Sunday Times can reveal." "According to PKK fighters holed up in one of the natural fortresses of the Qandil mountain range which runs along Iraq’s Turkish and Iranian borders, several Europeans have joined forces with their group." "At least three Britons were in the PKK’s 3,000-strong force, boasted one fighter as he and a group of men huddled in a room discussing the latest clashes with the Turkish army. Others include Russians, Germans, Greeks, Iranians and Arabs. The PKK is labelled by both Europe and America as a terrorist organisation..."
http://americanturk.blogspot.com/2007/10/britons-join-kurdish-rebels-to-fight.html
I am surprised to hear this - I would like to know the deail, I think maybe those "Britains" are Kurdish - either immigrants or born in Britain to Kurdish families.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:11 pm |
I am surprised to hear this - I would like to know the deail, I think maybe those "Britains" are Kurdish - either immigrants or born in Britain to Kurdish families.
britains? you mean britons?
I wouldn`t be surprised if they are not of Kurdish origin, when all the european media portraits the kurdish terrorists as "freedom fighters" just because they helped america and england in their genocide in iraq.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:15 pm |
I wouldn`t be surprised if they are not of Kurdish origin, when all the european media portraits the kurdish terrorists as "freedom fighters".
This is simply not true - actually it is complete crap!
britains? you mean britons?
Yeah yeah well spotted - I am trying to type fast so I don´t get caught here at work!
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:22 pm |
which part is crap? is it that the Kurds helped america and its puppets in their genocide, or that kurdish terrorists are portrayed as freedom fighters because of their help in the genocide?
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:24 pm |
which part is crap? is it that the Kurds helped america and its puppets in their genocide, or that kurdish terrorists are portrayed as freedom fighters because of their help in the genocide?
The second part. I have no knowledge of USA media, but I will defy you to find any reference in the UK media of the Kurdish terrorists being protrayed as freedom fighters.
Will happily wait for as long as it takes for you to find such an example...
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:28 pm |
The second part. I have no knowledge of USA media, but I will defy you to find any reference in the UK media of the Kurdish terrorists being protrayed as freedom fighters.
Will happily wait for as long as it takes for you to find such an example...
is that the reason why the sun calls the irish guerillas "terrorists" while they call the kurdish terrorists "kurdish rebels"?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2311920.ece?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:31 pm |
is that the reason why the sun calls the irish guerillas "terrorists" while they call the kurdish terrorists "kurdish rebels"?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2311920.ece?OTC-RSS&ATTR=News
Your link showed nothing about Kurdish (The Sun?!?!?! Oh dear!). And there is a big difference to "Kurdish rebels" and "Kurdish freedom fighters" which were the words you used.
Please try again and find me "Kurdish freedom fighters" references.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:37 pm |
Your link showed nothing about Kurdish (The Sun?!?!?! Oh dear!). And there is a big difference to "Kurdish rebels" and "Kurdish freedom fighters" which were the words you used.
Please try again and find me "Kurdish freedom fighters" references.
"The world would see they were not terrorists, but freedom fighters. Dialogue and peace would eventually solve the Kurdish question in Turkey. Their struggle for Kurdish rights was not about to be vaporised by a barrage of Turkish, or US, rockets."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/25/turkey.iraq
Enjoy!
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:45 pm |
"The world would see they were not terrorists, but freedom fighters. Dialogue and peace would eventually solve the Kurdish question in Turkey. Their struggle for Kurdish rights was not about to be vaporised by a barrage of Turkish, or US, rockets."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/25/turkey.iraq
Enjoy!
Oh Tami Tami Tami!
This is not media opinion!!! This is a quote from an interview - let me quote it propertly
"The PKK, at least the 2,000 or so who remain in northern Iraq, appear to be fast running out of options. "We have been misrepresented", said Abdul Rahaman Chaderchi, belying a frustration that they are referred to in the same breath as al-Qaida. "We are not terrorists. We share the same goals of democracy and human rights as the west," said Ms Ahmed. "We are fighting Turkish chauvinism and its long denial of basic rights to Kurds. We want to see a Turkey that can meet the criteria of joining the EU."
If you read in a newspaper, a quote from a an interview with an insane person that "all children must die" - do you assume that the whole country believe "all children must die"?!
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:47 pm |
Oh Tami Tami Tami!
This is not media opinion!!! This is a quote from an interview - let me quote it propertly
"The PKK, at least the 2,000 or so who remain in northern Iraq, appear to be fast running out of options. "We have been misrepresented", said Abdul Rahaman Chaderchi, belying a frustration that they are referred to in the same breath as al-Qaida. "We are not terrorists. We share the same goals of democracy and human rights as the west," said Ms Ahmed. "We are fighting Turkish chauvinism and its long denial of basic rights to Kurds. We want to see a Turkey that can meet the criteria of joining the EU."
If you read in a newspaper, a quote from a an interview with an insane person that "all children must die" - do you assume that the whole country believe "all children must die"?!
so you think we will buy this childish lie. it`s a fact that it`s published in that newspaper for pkk propaganda.
and can you tell me why they call the Irish freedom fighters terrorists while they call kurdish terrorists kurdish rebels?
Edited (3/11/2009) by tamikidakika
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:52 pm |
so you think we will buy this childish lie. it`s a fact that it`s published in that newspaper for pkk propaganda.
and can you tell me why they call the Irish freedom fighters terrorists while they call kurdish terrorists kurdish rebels?
Tami, just accept the simple fact that this was an interview - that is why the comments are written in quotation marks. It was the Kurdish THEMSELVES calling themselves freedom fighters.
It was NOT published in the newspaper for PKK propaganda - there are interviews with all people about any subject all over the world´s media. There are far far more interviews, films etc. about Irish being freedom fighters. It is a GOOD thing not to censor any subject di mi?
Edited (3/11/2009) by TheAenigma
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 02:55 pm |
Tami, just accept the simple fact that this was an interview - that is why the comments are written in quotation marks. It was the Kurdish THEMSELVES calling themselves freedom fighters.
It was NOT published in the newspaper for PKK propaganda - there are interviews with all people about any subject all over the world´s media. There are far far more interviews, films etc. about Irish being freedom fighters. It is a GOOD thing not to censor any subject di mi?
why don`t they publish interviews with al qaida praising their war against america? or hamas ?
it`s a bad thing to censor the struggle of al qaida heros, di mi?
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:02 pm |
why don`t they publish interviews with al qaida praising their war against america? or hamas ?
it`s a bad thing to censor the struggle of al qaida heros, di mi?
Actually THEY HAVE! There have been such interviews with Afghans....
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:07 pm |
Actually THEY HAVE! There have been such interviews with Afghans....
bring it up or keep quiet.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:33 pm |
bring it up or keep quiet.
Here are two to keep you going - I am happy to find more if you wish
"Dr Mahammed Anif told Newsnight that the UK and US had wanted an "excuse" to invade Afghanistan, and foreign armies would be thrown out of the country.
Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox said the interview was "obscene" and accused the BBC of broadcasting propaganda on behalf of Britain´s enemies.
The BBC said it was "entirely legitimate" to air the Taleban´s views. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6086276.stm
"Yes. Our one demand of the British is for them to leave our land. We want this message to be conveyed to Tony Blair -- it´s easy to occupy Afghanistan, but it´s difficult to remain here for long. God willing, like the Russians before them, the Americans and British will fail." And with that he got to his feet, clicked his fingers and his men got ready to go.
After that initial meeting, things between me and the Taliban became a lot easier. Every time I met a Taliban commander, he would pass on my name to other Taliban commanders, who would then contact me to arrange another interview. I was soon fielding calls every day, and quickly discovered that my name had reached Taliban commanders in the town of Quetta across the border in Pakistan."
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/meeting+the+taliban/158385
Edited (3/11/2009) by TheAenigma
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:35 pm |
Oh Tami Tami Tami!
This is not media opinion!!! This is a quote from an interview - let me quote it propertly
"The PKK, at least the 2,000 or so who remain in northern Iraq, appear to be fast running out of options. "We have been misrepresented", said Abdul Rahaman Chaderchi, belying a frustration that they are referred to in the same breath as al-Qaida. "We are not terrorists. We share the same goals of democracy and human rights as the west," said Ms Ahmed. "We are fighting Turkish chauvinism and its long denial of basic rights to Kurds. We want to see a Turkey that can meet the criteria of joining the EU."
If you read in a newspaper, a quote from a an interview with an insane person that "all children must die" - do you assume that the whole country believe "all children must die"?!
AE`s trick exposed!!!
the excerpt I posted was the opinion of the English guardian journalist Michael Howard, not of the guy who was interviewed.
posting it once again.
"Their leader is in prison and being poisoned, they claim, by his jailers. Their enemies are in uproar, almost unanimously baying for their blood. And Nato´s second largest war machine is just two valleys away, preparing for their annihilation. Yet as they sat down to a dinner of grilled chicken and salad yesterday, in a flat-roofed stone shack clinging to the side of a mountain, leaders of the Kurdistan Workers´ party (PKK) remained surprisingly buoyant.Here were some of Turkey´s most wanted, dressed in their trademark baggy khaki fatigues, each wearing a small lapel badge bearing the portrait of Abdullah Ocalan, their imprisoned leader. Their mountain redoubts would hold firm, the guerilla leaders insisted. The world would see they were not terrorists, but freedom fighters. Dialogue and peace would eventually solve the Kurdish question in Turkey. Their struggle for Kurdish rights was not about to be vaporised by a barrage of Turkish, or US, rockets."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/25/turkey.iraq
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:39 pm |
so will you admit the fact that the English media call the Kurdish terrorists, "freedom fighters", AE?
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:40 pm |
so will you admit the fact that the English media call the Kurdish terrorists, "freedom fighters", AE?
No I dont...
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:42 pm |
You have not commented on this Tami - and I will be happy to reply to your other questions when I finish work
Here are two to keep you going - I am happy to find more if you wish
"Dr Mahammed Anif told Newsnight that the UK and US had wanted an "excuse" to invade Afghanistan, and foreign armies would be thrown out of the country.
Shadow defence secretary Liam Fox said the interview was "obscene" and accused the BBC of broadcasting propaganda on behalf of Britain´s enemies.
The BBC said it was "entirely legitimate" to air the Taleban´s views. "
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6086276.stm
"Yes. Our one demand of the British is for them to leave our land. We want this message to be conveyed to Tony Blair -- it´s easy to occupy Afghanistan, but it´s difficult to remain here for long. God willing, like the Russians before them, the Americans and British will fail." And with that he got to his feet, clicked his fingers and his men got ready to go.
After that initial meeting, things between me and the Taliban became a lot easier. Every time I met a Taliban commander, he would pass on my name to other Taliban commanders, who would then contact me to arrange another interview. I was soon fielding calls every day, and quickly discovered that my name had reached Taliban commanders in the town of Quetta across the border in Pakistan."
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/meeting+the+taliban/158385
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:44 pm |
of course you won`t. not a pleasant truth, is it?
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:45 pm |
"Their leader is in prison and being poisoned, they claim, by his jailers. Their enemies are in uproar, almost unanimously baying for their blood. And Nato´s second largest war machine is just two valleys away, preparing for their annihilation. Yet as they sat down to a dinner of grilled chicken and salad yesterday, in a flat-roofed stone shack clinging to the side of a mountain, leaders of the Kurdistan Workers´ party (PKK) remained surprisingly buoyant.Here were some of Turkey´s most wanted, dressed in their trademark baggy khaki fatigues, each wearing a small lapel badge bearing the portrait of Abdullah Ocalan, their imprisoned leader. Their mountain redoubts would hold firm, the guerilla leaders insisted. The world would see they were not terrorists, but freedom fighters. Dialogue and peace would eventually solve the Kurdish question in Turkey. Their struggle for Kurdish rights was not about to be vaporised by a barrage of Turkish, or US, rockets."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/25/turkey.iraq
Tami, please read the part in bold again. There are no quotation marks, but it is clear he is talking about THEIR views, not the authors.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:50 pm |
Tami I think you have too much time on your hands...you need a hobby..or a job
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:54 pm |
Tami I think you have too much time on your hands...you need a hobby..or a job
I`m on holiday, ae. and it`s so fun to drive you mad.
but unfortunately, your rhetoric won`t work this time. you have to admist that it`s the pure opinion of the English journalist.
Edited (3/11/2009) by tamikidakika
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:56 pm |
I`m on holiday, ae. and it`s so fun to drive you mad.
but unfortunately, your rhetoric won`t work this time. you have to admist that it`s the pure opinion of the English journalist.
I suggest you contact the author via TheGuardian - he will confirm what I have tried to explain to you.
Still no comment that I proved you wrong with my Taliban articles?
Edited (3/11/2009) by TheAenigma
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 03:58 pm |
I suggest you contact the author via TheGuardian - he will confirm what I have tried to explain to you.
why don`t you do it for us while I enjoy my free time.
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11 Mar 2009 Wed 04:00 pm |
Still no comment that I proved you wrong with my Taliban articles?
yea, let me know if the journalist called them heros or freedom fighters in the article.
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