That will teach you not to make presumptions about me especially about my old nick name.

+10000000000000

With the level of brainwashing, many men probably feel proud of going to the army, unlike in some other countries (don´t ask tami about it though, he has no clue! )

I`m sure catwoman will now come up with a survey proving how the men in the "US and EU" are not proud of going to army.

funny how tami reverted his question from "which countries don´t have a forced drafting" to "which did you mean"?

I asked "what are those other countries?"

I never said " which countries don`t have a forced drafting".   

You have a difficulty with understanding what you read or you got deeply offended by the "US and EU" comment?

Ha ha..

That is spot on..

And also, it is good to know that some people would like our beloved Turkey to abolish the compulsary army and have a professional army like many of the countries like USA and EU.

It is wrong to say that ´Ah EU and USA are having private armies so  I will oppose the idea of Turkey having private army´. 

do those "other countries" include the US and your country too? Because with the level of brainwashing here, many men feel proud of going to Iraq to kill and torture some muslims.

There is an article about this incident and also the issue of professional army:

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/..ould-speak-now.html

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In Turkey, almost everyone agrees that we need a professional army. In this technological age, it is almost impossible for young people with only three months of military training to fight wars. Despite several promises, still these youngsters fight the Kurdistan Workers´ Party (PKK) terrorists in the mountains, and many of them become martyrs. More than 700,000 Turkish youth are now in active military service, and they serve for 15 months. This is a huge loss for the Turkish economy, and as several incidents have shown, they are not effective fighters as their training is not sufficient.

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The generals love to talk on every single issue under the sky, but they are hesitant to inform us on military issues. They need to convince us why hundreds of thousands of our youths have to stay economically idle for almost two years, to interrupt their lives because of military duty, to delay several important issues such as marriage because of military duty interruption and to leave their loved ones for almost two years during peacetime. God forbid, if there were a war, none of us would stay behind and would join our army to defend our families, lives, country and so on, but in peacetime, it is high time that we question if those 700,000 men are really useful for the country. We know that a high percentage of them either serve military officers or themselves as janitors, cooks, drivers, painters and so on. If we had a smaller professional army, many of these services would obviously not be required. What is more, these people would be working and contributing to the economy, thereby sponsoring the army as well. It is crystal clear that there is no economic logic in the status quo. ...

. On the other hand, these non-professional youngsters, however brave and heroic they are, are not effective fighters because of the conditions of their age.

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wow, great article (especially coming from Zaman )

this is cw with her amusing "I didn`t hear what you say" state. you think you can get away?