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40.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 03:17 am

A poem from B.R.E.:

 

“You need to know at least three languages

One your mother tongue

As sweet as mother´s milk

As free as mother´s milk

The other ones unfamiliar like a rooster in a hen house.”

 

One who knows three languages is an intellectual, well-educated, cultured and respected.

According to a Turkish proverb:

“One language is one person,”

“Two languages are two persons,”

“Three languages are three persons.”

 

But the language experts and psychologists say:

- "A person can solely think in their own language, can dream in their own language and can be happy in their own language,” 

- “A person cannot think in  a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot love in a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot become happy in a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot dream in a foreign language.”

- “Because a native language is just like an organism, like your ears, your eyes,  your  tongue.  your heart.”

 - “ But a person of course can speak, read, write, educate, study, learn, teach, define, tell, explain, analyze, understand, translate, work and make success in a foreign language.”

Agreeable.

 



Edited (12/8/2009) by yilgun-2010
Edited (12/8/2009) by yilgun-2010

41.       lady in red
6947 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 01:09 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

A poem from B.R.E.:

 

“You need to know at least three languages

One your mother tongue

As sweet as mother´s milk

As free as mother´s milk

The other ones unfamiliar like a rooster in a hen house.”

 

One who knows three languages is an intellectual, well-educated, cultured and respected.

According to a Turkish proverb:

“One language is one person,”

“Two languages are two persons,”

“Three languages are three persons.”

 

But the language experts and psychologists say:

- "A person can solely think in their own language, can dream in their own language and can be happy in their own language,” 

- “A person cannot think in  a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot love in a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot become happy in a foreign language,”

- “A person cannot dream in a foreign language.”

- “Because a native language is just like an organism, like your ears, your eyes,  your  tongue.  your heart.”

 - “ But a person of course can speak, read, write, educate, study, learn, teach, define, tell, explain, analyze, understand, translate, work and make success in a foreign language.”

Agreeable.

 

 

 

Previous posters seem to disagree with the experts though, don´t they?!  

 

Can you tell us who B.R.E. is please? - Well, me I should say, maybe everyone else knows who he/she is.



Edited (12/8/2009) by lady in red

42.       ptaszek
440 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 01:22 pm

 

Quoting lady in red

 

 

Previous posters seem to disagree with the experts though, don´t they?!  

 

Can you tell us who B.R.E. is please? - Well, me I should say, maybe everyone else knows who he/she is.

 

 I do

Bedri Rahmi Eyüboğlu-The title of a poem is Üc Dil but the part Yigun provided is out of context and does not fit to prove his theories{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

43.       ptaszek
440 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 01:27 pm

You need to know at least three languages
At least in three languages
You need to swear like a sailor
You need to know at least three languages
In at least three languages you need to dream and think
At least three languages

 The whole poem is here at TLC in the Turkish poetry section{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

http://www.turkishclass.com/poem_192

44.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 01:43 pm

I disagree with BRE´s  thesis on that point.



Edited (12/8/2009) by yilgun-2010

45.       ptaszek
440 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 10:38 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

I disagree with BRE´s  thesis on that point.

 

 Happy to hear you disagree.Nevertheless,it is not a thesis-it is a poem and BRE is not a scholar but a poet,two diferrent things.

What about autistic kids and their language?All Applied linguistic?How can you speak in foreign lg without thinking???I have the feeling I am wasting my time disagreeing with you.

Anyway all you stick to is contradictory in terms of using the language,symantics,syntax,etc...sounds all ECHOLALIA to me.I would really appreciate your providing the names of  recognised linguists or psychologists to support your post intellectualy and again-don´t treat it personally,I am not picking on you I am trying to show you that you try to abolish most of linguistic theories!

I want to hear finally something that comes from your mouth not mouth of others,and creative not repetitive one

thank you!

46.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 08 Dec 2009 Tue 11:47 pm

Yes : BRE is a Turkish poet and it is his poem.

And it is his opinion.

I am not a linquist. And I do not know three languages.

Anyway, I can analyze this point with my

researcher friends.

But you are right because of you are a teacher and you know three languages.

 

In my opinion a person can solely think, dream and love in her/his own language as a biological organism.

 

I agree on this thesis:

“You need to know at least three languages

One your mother tongue

As sweet as mother´s milk

As free as mother´s milk”

47.       lady in red
6947 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 12:57 am

 

Quoting ptaszek

 

 

 I do

Bedri Rahmi Eyüboğlu-The title of a poem is Üc Dil but the part Yigun provided is out of context and does not fit to prove his theories{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

Sağol - a rather more informative answer than ´B.R.E. is BRE´  

48.       ptaszek
440 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 01:04 am

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

Yes : BRE is a Turkish poet and it is his poem.

And it is his opinion.

I am not a linquist. And I do not know three languages.

Anyway, I can analyze this point with my

researcher friends.

But you are right because of you are a teacher and you know three languages.

 

In my opinion a person can solely think, dream and love in her/his own language as a biological organism.

 

I agree on this thesis:

“You need to know at least three languages

One your mother tongue

As sweet as mother´s milk

As free as mother´s milk”

 

 Got confused now as all is echolalia for me,repetitive tones that prove your lack of knowledge but at least confirm your stubborness or better to say your obstinate way to make others think all you say is right.Thank you for providing your opinion and let me disagree with it.I wish you more experience on your lfe path,even with expressing your love in a foreign lg,then perhaps you will change your views  or at least admit there are other options.But please..more sensitivity to poetry..don´t kill it with reasonable attitude..with it it will stop being poetry but a prose..perhaps engineeric one..

 

49.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 09 Dec 2009 Wed 02:15 pm

 

Quoting yilgun-2010

 

Anyway, I can analyze this point with my

researcher friends.

 

 Are these the same friends who were going to be judging the "TC Person of the Year"?

50.       yilgun-2010
572 posts
 10 Dec 2009 Thu 07:19 pm

We analyzed this point with my researcher  friends.

 

Conclusion:

 

“ Bir insan, bir yabancı dili, eğer kendi ana dili gibi öğrenebilmişse, o zaman o yabancı dilde de düşünebilir.

 

Fakat, böyle bir insan bulmak çok zordur.

 

Bu, okyanusun dibinde inci aramaya benzer. “

 

Not: Bu sonucu, bir çevirmen arkadaş, İngilizceye çevirirse çok memnun oluruz.

 

 



Edited (12/10/2009) by yilgun-2010

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