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Muslim Men Charged with \"Insulting Britishness\"
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1.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 03:42 am

11th January 2010
A group of Muslim men who branded British soldiers "murderers", "baby killers" and "rapists" at a homecoming parade, have been found guilty of public order offences at Luton Magistrates Court.

Jalal Ahmed, 21, Yousaf Bashir, 29, Ziaur Rahman, 32, Shajjadar Choudhury, 31, Munim Abdul, 28, were found guilty of using threatening, abusive or insulting words and behaviour likely to cause harassment and distress.

Angry scenes broke out at the parade, which saw soldiers from the 2nd Battallion Royal Anglian Regiment march through Luton following service in Iraq and Afghanistan on March 10 last year, as the group turned out to protest against the legitimacy of the two conflicts.

The group were each handed a two year conditional discharge and ordrered to pay £500 each in costs

2.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 03:42 am

for the reaction of the british people, refer to the facebook group "F**k the muslims who shouted "Murderers" at soldiers coming home"

3.       catwoman
8933 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 04:02 am

Often times people are very emotional about soldiers in their country, what do you think a reaction in Turkey would be if Kurdish people would say such things to Turkish soldiers?

It is very sad and funny for me to see Turkish people or really any people to criticize other people´s behavior, while they are VERY defensive about their own mistakes. You should really focus more on your own and your countries problems because that´s what you can actually change.

 

Anyway, unfortunately, what these muslim men and women had said about the soldiers is true, although I´m sure that the soldiers believe they went to the war with best intentions..

 

Where is the "insulting Britishness" part though?



Edited (1/15/2010) by catwoman
Edited (1/15/2010) by catwoman

4.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 10:53 am

 

Quoting catwoman

Often times people are very emotional about soldiers in their country, what do you think a reaction in Turkey would be if Kurdish people would say such things to Turkish soldiers?

It is very sad and funny for me to see Turkish people or really any people to criticize other people´s behavior, while they are VERY defensive about their own mistakes. You should really focus more on your own and your countries problems because that´s what you can actually change.

 

Anyway, unfortunately, what these muslim men and women had said about the soldiers is true, although I´m sure that the soldiers believe they went to the war with best intentions..

 

Where is the "insulting Britishness" part though?

 

1- our soldiers are not in a mission of invading a country and genociding its people.

 

2-the Kurds already do express their hatred for Turkey by waving pkk flags in demostrations, chanting slogans for Abdullah Ocalan, burning Turkish flags, stoning the shops and cars. and nothing happens to them.

 

3-if the muslim in england chanted slogans for Laden, I`m sure they would either get shot or get sentenced to life time torture in Guantanamo.

 

where is the insulting Britishness part?

 

what did these men charged for? they didn`t attack anyone, they just expressed their opinions about the christian invaders. so where is the so called christian freedom of speech?

 

and if they didn`t get charged with insulting britishness then for what reason they got charged?

 

 

 

5.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 11:24 am

They were not charged with insulting Britishness. Every demonstration in the U.K. has to be anounced and a permit needs to be given. These men did not do this, so, following the basic laws that are there for EVERYBODY (Hindus, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc.) they were arrested.

 

There have been people that HAVE chanted things about Bin Laden. They have not been shot, they have not been send to any kind of "Bay". They have been under suspiscion though, which is totally logical. If you say "hey, that guy who wants to kill everybody in this country is my idol!" then the police needs to check you out.

 

And nothing happens to Kurdish people who throw stones? Please, get your head out of the sand...

6.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 02:37 pm

I think most countries have penalty procedures against people who incite hatered. You may protest against everything and everyone as long as you do not call for hate and are not violent.

 

Some people support the war with the east, some don´t. Unfortunately it´s not by means of pubic vote that a county´s participation in warfare is decided.

 

I understand the frustration and anger towards the British soldiers. If I was there, I´m sure I´d be saying the same thing.

7.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 08:57 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

They were not charged with insulting Britishness. Every demonstration in the U.K. has to be anounced and a permit needs to be given. These men did not do this, so, following the basic laws that are there for EVERYBODY (Hindus, Christians, Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc.) they were arrested.

 

There have been people that HAVE chanted things about Bin Laden. They have not been shot, they have not been send to any kind of "Bay". They have been under suspiscion though, which is totally logical. If you say "hey, that guy who wants to kill everybody in this country is my idol!" then the police needs to check you out.

 

And nothing happens to Kurdish people who throw stones? Please, get your head out of the sand...

 

 

nowhere in the news it says that they were charged with illegal demonstration

 

Quote:

Jalal Ahmed, 21, Yousaf Bashir, 29, Ziaur Rahman, 32, Shajjadar Choudhury, 31, Munim Abdul, 28, were found guilty of using threatening, abusive or insulting words and behaviour likely to cause harassment and distress.

 

 

 

in other words, they got charched with insulting Britain, as there was no violence involved.

Quote:

And nothing happens to Kurdish people who throw stones? Please, get your head out of the sand...

 

let us know what happens to them? and shouldn`t something happen?

8.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 08:59 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I think most countries have penalty procedures against people who incite hatered. You may protest against everything and everyone as long as you do not call for hate and are not violent.

 

Some people support the war with the east, some don´t. Unfortunately it´s not by means of pubic vote that a county´s participation in warfare is decided.

 

I understand the frustration and anger towards the British soldiers. If I was there, I´m sure I´d be saying the same thing.

 

haha DD saw the light{#emotions_dlg.bigsmile}

 

will you admit that there is no freedom of speech in england, or do you still need time?



Edited (1/15/2010) by murat elhamri

9.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 09:07 pm

I do believe that there is freedom of speech in the UK, apparently our ideas of what it means differ, Tami

 

10.       murat elhamri
26 posts
 15 Jan 2010 Fri 09:11 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

I do believe that there is freedom of speech in the UK, apparently our ideas of what it means differ, Tami

 

 

yes I know, your idea of what is freedom of speech is; when you insult muslims, its freedom of speech, when you insult christians or jews, its antisemtism and terrorism.

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