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20.       Umut_Umut
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 22 Sep 2012 Sat 02:27 pm

 

Quoting freedquaker

 In my humble opinion, All Turkic Languages are technical marvels, and it is an invaluable joy to learn and teach them!

 

It is really good to read such a post. Thank you for it.

 

After you mentioned the authentic form of ben bana / men mene thing, i have checked 18 dialects and as you see in the table given below, out of 18 dialects, just 4 dialects use -e and 14 dialects use -a suffix. I think  this is because the suffix we use.(-e / -a)  What do you think about it?

 

  Türkiye Gagavuz Azeri Türkmen Özbek Uygur Kazak Kırgız Karakalpak
I ben ben men  men men  men  men men men
you sen sen sen  sen sen  sen sen sen sen
to me bana  bana  mene maña menge maña mağan maga mağan
to you sana sana sene saña senge saña sağan saga sağan
       
  Nogay Tatar Başkurt Kırım Tatar Karaçay Kumuk Altay Hakas Tuva
I  men min min men men men men min men
you sen sin hin sen sen sen sen sin sen
to me maga miña miña maña mañña mağa mege mağaa meñee
to you saga siña hiña saña sañña sağa sege sağaa señee

21.       gokuyum
5049 posts
 22 Sep 2012 Sat 11:21 pm

 

Quoting freedquaker

I agree with pretty much everything said in this thread... Here are a few of my thoughts... Turkish (Türkçe) and Azeri (Azerice or Azeri Türkçesi) are basically the same language but different dialects. Their mutual intelligibility is fairly high, especially in the areas closer to Azerbaycan. However, Some people may still have a hard time understanding Azeri, especially due to the differences in vocabulary and accent. But even those people will start to pick up the Azeri dialect pretty quickly after being exposed to Azeri for a few weeks. As a fluent speaker of English, and partially Arabic, it´s fairly easy for me to spot the vocabulary differences in Azeri, especially due to Persian and Russian influence, although an average person will have a harder time. My mother, for example, never had a problem with the grammar, and she instantly connected with the language since it doesn´t sound to her any different from another Turkish dialect although she had a tough time understanding the vocabulary and the details of the conversation. She has never gone through the formal linguistic education that I´d gone through, so I had to kind of train her for a few days. But once she got this through, she was much more aware of the similarities, and were already coping with 50% of the nuisances. In some sense, Azeri Turkish is more authentic than Turkish of Turkey... For example, the "accusative" dative of "sen" is "sana" in Modern Turkish, while it is "sene" in Azeri, which is technically the correct one. There are several uses in grammar, with the influence under Istanbul Turkish that changed, which I´d argue not so authentic, but sounds and looks better after all. In my humble opinion, All Turkic Languages are technical marvels, and it is an invaluable joy to learn and teach them!

Just a small correction for learners.

 

22.       si++
3785 posts
 23 Sep 2012 Sun 03:54 pm

 

Quoting Umut_Umut

 

 

It is really good to read such a post. Thank you for it.

 

After you mentioned the authentic form of ben bana / men mene thing, i have checked 18 dialects and as you see in the table given below, out of 18 dialects, just 4 dialects use -e and 14 dialects use -a suffix. I think  this is because the suffix we use.(-e / -a)  What do you think about it?

 

  Türkiye Gagavuz Azeri Türkmen Özbek Uygur Kazak Kırgız Karakalpak
I ben ben men  men men  men  men men men
you sen sen sen  sen sen  sen sen sen sen
to me bana  bana  mene maña menge maña mağan maga mağan
to you sana sana sene saña senge saña sağan saga sağan
                   
  Nogay Tatar Başkurt Kırım Tatar Karaçay Kumuk Altay Hakas Tuva
I  men min min men men men men min men
you sen sin hin sen sen sen sen sin sen
to me maga miña miña maña mañña mağa mege mağaa meñee
to you saga siña hiña saña sañña sağa sege sağaa señee

 

This song is an Azeri one but she says bana in it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbFIoUFBMV8

 

On the other hand, we say bene&sene in our village (somewhere in the Aegean cost).

23.       Umut_Umut
485 posts
 26 Sep 2012 Wed 05:46 pm

I have searched a little bit about this issue and according to what i have found from various sources, the situation is like that;

It doesnt matter if we take the word as ben or men, when we add the suffix -a/-e which is originally -ga / -ge, the n letter of men/ben and the g letter of -ga/-ge are combined and become nasal n (ñ . (In my accent we still say baña and saña instead of bana /sana)

ben+ge -- benge -- beñe  -- baña

men+ge  -- menge - meñe -- maña

 

This ñ converts the soft vowels to hard vowels. (e to a)  I tried to say beñe and baña , señe and saña, it is more easier to say baña and saña instead of beñe and señe.

 

"" A different example from a site  tengri converted to tanrı.  ""

 

 

 

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