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Pushkin Turkish translation
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 03:03 pm |
Pushkin who raved about his death ironically lost his life after receiving fatal wounds in a duel.
He could not get over his jealousy of his beautiful wife. At an age when honor, principles and ideals were more important than life itself, he put his most beloved posessions all at stake. It is this sentiment that gathered people around things like socialism, wars of independence etc.
In other words, Pushkin´s was a completely different world that evolved on the ashes of a darker period.
you see, thats what i hate. the passion threw him on a pedestal and then killed.
its not only the age. its also a russian soul. live it with passion or die.
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 03:59 pm |
you see, thats what i hate. the passion threw him on a pedestal and then killed.
its not only the age. its also a russian soul. live it with passion or die.
Pushkin was a star of a bygone age. His real merit was as a poet. He lived in a society the social dynamics of which were a lot different from those of today. We cannot judge past generations and their deeds based on the last minute universal set of rules. Mehmet the Conqueror issued a decree where he stated it would be suitable for any of his predecessors who have been lucky enough to become a sultan after him to kill his brothers for the benefit of the nation. We owe the capture of Istanbul to Mehmet II, there are bridges, districts named after him. His deeds are commemorated by all Turks. By today´s standards however, he was ....
I am omitting what I think he was in order not to offend people. He was what he was. Would he issue that decree if he lived today? He certainly wouldn´t...
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 04:23 pm |
Pushkin was a star of a bygone age. His real merit was as a poet. He lived in a society the social dynamics of which were a lot different from those of today. We cannot judge past generations and their deeds based on the last minute universal set of rules. Mehmet the Conqueror issued a decree where he stated it would be suitable for any of his predecessors who have been lucky enough to become a sultan after him to kill his brothers for the benefit of the nation. We owe the capture of Istanbul to Mehmet II, there are bridges, districts named after him. His deeds are commemorated by all Turks. By today´s standards however, he was ....
I am omitting what I think he was in order not to offend people. He was what he was. Would he issue that decree if he lived today? He certainly wouldn´t...
look, im barely touching the times he lived in. what im mentioning is the nature of eastern people. the culture where there is no respect for life. its honor, feelings, image, love, passion, patriotism and death.
but pushkin is pushkin. wouldnt he have this nature would there be this thread?
we can judge anything we want. by judging we learn and take our lessons.
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 04:47 pm |
Now that you like to walk on this path, I suggest that you read Andre Siegfried who was one of the influences of Hitler. He wrote the book named Spirit of Nations which is probably still in print today. His school of thought led to The Holocaust. It therefore makes sense to stay clear off the docrtines laid out in Spirit of Nations where he raves about contrasts between East and West throughout the book. If you read that book you will find, this guy said the exact same things about the East hundred years ago.
Just in case you don´t want to find yourself in a cesspool of thinking when escaping from another which is communism; Siegfried says:
"God or Nature has created two kinds of races in nature: the boss who must direct, and the laborer who must obey. Which one is needed more? Obviously the laborer. Every thousand laborers calls for two to three bosses. So, God has created a European race - who is the boss, and an Eastern race - who is the laborer. This is why the birth rate of the East is 3%-5% annually, while for West is 1%." … He [Siegfried] further says, "What you see and tend to ignore on the sidewalk is a French gentleman, an average worker with blond hair and blue eyes, who can easily direct huge organizations and offices of the East. While, if you go to the East, you will find great thinkers and personalities who are incapable of directing a six-man organization. Why? Because the Western brain creates civilization and organization while the Eastern brain is sentimental, poetical, and theosophical." [Reference: L´Ame des peuples by Prof. André Siegfried (Spirit of Nations),
Edited (3/1/2010) by vineyards
Edited (3/1/2010) by vineyards
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 06:26 pm |
Now that you like to walk on this path, I suggest that you read Andre Siegfried who was one of the influences of Hitler. He wrote the book named Spirit of Nations which is probably still in print today. His school of thought led to The Holocaust. It therefore makes sense to stay clear off the docrtines laid out in Spirit of Nations where he raves about contrasts between East and West throughout the book. If you read that book you will find, this guy said the exact same things about the East hundred years ago.
Just in case you don´t want to find yourself in a cesspool of thinking when escaping from another which is communism; Siegfried says:
"God or Nature has created two kinds of races in nature: the boss who must direct, and the laborer who must obey. Which one is needed more? Obviously the laborer. Every thousand laborers calls for two to three bosses. So, God has created a European race - who is the boss, and an Eastern race - who is the laborer. This is why the birth rate of the East is 3%-5% annually, while for West is 1%." … He [Siegfried] further says, "What you see and tend to ignore on the sidewalk is a French gentleman, an average worker with blond hair and blue eyes, who can easily direct huge organizations and offices of the East. While, if you go to the East, you will find great thinkers and personalities who are incapable of directing a six-man organization. Why? Because the Western brain creates civilization and organization while the Eastern brain is sentimental, poetical, and theosophical." [Reference: L´Ame des peuples by Prof. André Siegfried (Spirit of Nations),
oh no, now I regret I started this with you. never go to poems section, never go to poems section! this is a lesson.
The thing is that, vineyards, I must be Nazi then, I tend to think exact the same way.
Although I dont think God created two races. God created two human beings.
But if you open your eyes, this is is the exact picture of the world. and its a fact. I accept and admit it.
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 06:36 pm |
you see, thats what i hate. the passion threw him on a pedestal and then killed.
its not only the age. its also a russian soul. live it with passion or die.
Oh lemonysnickets...what is life without passion?
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 06:54 pm |
Oh lemonysnickets...what is life without passion?
a life without passion is PEACE!!! organized and predictable!
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 06:55 pm |
a life without passion is PEACE!!! organized and predictable!
and very boring
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 07:04 pm |
You are welcome to enter any thread here as you have always been. You just made a generalization about Russians and Idealists (Romantics actually). This was in line with your previous remarks and I still feel my answer is consistent with your general discourse and that you would really benefit from reading that book which may help you make positive transfer from negative thinking.
oh no, now I regret I started this with you. never go to poems section, never go to poems section! this is a lesson.
The thing is that, vineyards, I must be Nazi then, I tend to think exact the same way.
Although I dont think God created two races. God created two human beings.
But if you open your eyes, this is is the exact picture of the world. and its a fact. I accept and admit it.
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 07:08 pm |
The thing is that, vineyards, I must be Nazi then, I tend to think exact the same way.
Although I dont think God created two races. God created two human beings.
But if you open your eyes, this is is the exact picture of the world. and its a fact. I accept and admit it.
Under the circumstances, you must not feel sour if I dub thee a neo-Nazi.
Although I would prefer you to make steps forward in your perception of the world...
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01 Mar 2010 Mon 07:12 pm |
a life without passion is PEACE!!! organized and predictable!
Well, then you are a Nazi and I am a Russian.....give me passion or give me death.
Edited (3/1/2010) by Elisabeth
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