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Humans : Are they good or evil?
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04 Aug 2010 Wed 01:59 pm |
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I think this is also a debate about definitions. I think "selfish" means that you put your own joy above that of everybody else, and you only care about if YOU are happy. Your happiness can even come to the expence of other peoples happiness, you don´t care! Therefor, helping somebody else is 99% of the times not selfish. A truly selfish person will not get any joy from helping somebody else, because a selfish person will not get any joy from seeing somebody else happy.
Egoism is slightly different. I guess egoism is more about thinking that you are the centre of the universe, and having the utmost interest for yourself. Perhaps helping can be a part of egoism, if part of the egoistic ideal somebody has for him/herself is "the hero who helps others".
Barba, I hate reading your posts. You are such a New Age child! When you helped Haitans, you didn enjoy it. You informed us of your good deed. You always share about your good deeds. I dont think you ever suffered to make someone happy. You are very very selfish!
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04 Aug 2010 Wed 02:12 pm |
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I think this is also a debate about definitions. I think "selfish" means that you put your own joy above that of everybody else, and you only care about if YOU are happy. Your happiness can even come to the expence of other peoples happiness, you don´t care! Therefor, helping somebody else is 99% of the times not selfish. A truly selfish person will not get any joy from helping somebody else, because a selfish person will not get any joy from seeing somebody else happy.
Egoism is slightly different. I guess egoism is more about thinking that you are the centre of the universe, and having the utmost interest for yourself. Perhaps helping can be a part of egoism, if part of the egoistic ideal somebody has for him/herself is "the hero who helps others".
i dont agree. i told my reasons.
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04 Aug 2010 Wed 05:30 pm |
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Barba, I hate reading your posts. You are such a New Age child! When you helped Haitans, you didn enjoy it. You informed us of your good deed. You always share about your good deeds. I dont think you ever suffered to make someone happy. You are very very selfish!
No actually... It turns out that Haiti only got about 10% of the money it was promised up till now. The money that people have donated is not reaching the people in Haiti. I´m feeling a bit like *bleep* because I know the situation there is not getting any better, and the people there REALLY feel like *bleep* for being in the situation. In the end, nobody is really happy. (Except for perhaps a corrupt person who´s cashing in the money.) And no, I didn´t feel superduper from sending a bunch of money. I only mentioned it on here, so others would also give money, since it was and IS needed. It wasn´t to toot my own horn. What a negative way to view the world, to just assume the worst intentions.
And yes, I have suffered to make somebody happy, and no, I will not discuss that here because it´s private. The moment I tell people on here they will mess it up and make it some twisted point of discussion about how I´m really selfish, even though I suffered.
And my final point... If helping people is New Age, than call me New Age, and I will be proud to be New Age. Jesus must have been the biggest hippy around, with his whole curing diseases and stuff.
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04 Aug 2010 Wed 05:43 pm |
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No actually... It turns out that Haiti only got about 10% of the money it was promised up till now. The money that people have donated is not reaching the people in Haiti. I´m feeling a bit like *bleep* because I know the situation there is not getting any better, and the people there REALLY feel like *bleep* for being in the situation. In the end, nobody is really happy. (Except for perhaps a corrupt person who´s cashing in the money.) And no, I didn´t feel superduper from sending a bunch of money. I only mentioned it on here, so others would also give money, since it was and IS needed. It wasn´t to toot my own horn. What a negative way to view the world, to just assume the worst intentions.
Didnt I tell you that its gonna end up like that? An you said that I cry over the money I sent. It looks like its your turn now 
And yes, I have suffered to make somebody happy, and no, I will not discuss that here because it´s private. The moment I tell people on here they will mess it up and make it some twisted point of discussion about how I´m really selfish, even though I suffered.
Well, Im not interested in your private stuff, and of course I wouldnt insist on revealing anything.
And my final point... If helping people is New Age, than call me New Age, and I will be proud to be New Age. Jesus must have been the biggest hippy around, with his whole curing diseases and stuff.
Nope, you are wrong. Jesus didnt come to heal the sick and make people happy. He came to save the world so that you be saved and avoid the second death.
Nope again, He wasnt a hippy. He was modest and humble, obidient to His Father. No selfishness was in Him. He suffered for everyone.
You are completely brainwashed child of New Age. It promotes selfishness, success, a show off charity and of course does everything to downgrade the knowledge in order to keep sheep under the control. So people like you would believe everything that mainstream media dictates.
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04 Aug 2010 Wed 10:52 pm |
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Jesus helped other people, so he must have been a totally selfish egoist right?
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05 Aug 2010 Thu 12:42 am |
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So ... are these philanthropists selfish if they keep their billions or selfish if they give half of it away?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/aug/04/us-billionaires-half-fortune-gates
Seeing this news item made me ponder other questions. How much money does one human being need in order to be happy? Do people with billions, or just simply more money than they would ever need, feel they have nothing left to work towards in business? Is this why some turn to philanthropy? A new focus.
An interesting thread Gok 
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05 Aug 2010 Thu 08:41 am |
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I´ve wondered about that myself. I´ve been thinking it´s really some type of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder like Hoarding. It´s just that in the case of the wealthy, it´s socially acceptable.
....How much money does one human being need in order to be happy? Do people with billions, or just simply more money than they would ever need, feel they have nothing left to work towards in business? Is this why some turn to philanthropy?...
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05 Aug 2010 Thu 09:07 am |
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Jesus helped other people, so he must have been a totally selfish egoist right?
Here is an example with no comments:
For a woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him [Jesus—KB], and she came and fell at His feet. The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenician by birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.” And she answered and said to Him, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs under the table eat from the children’s crumbs.” Then He said to her, “For this saying go your way; the demon has gone out of your daughter.” And when she had come to her house, she found the demon gone out, and her daughter lying on the bed (7:25-30; see also Matthew 15:21-28).
Edited (8/5/2010) by gokuyum
Edited (8/5/2010) by gokuyum
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05 Aug 2010 Thu 09:34 am |
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So ... are these philanthropists selfish if they keep their billions or selfish if they give half of it away?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/aug/04/us-billionaires-half-fortune-gates
Seeing this news item made me ponder other questions. How much money does one human being need in order to be happy? Do people with billions, or just simply more money than they would ever need, feel they have nothing left to work towards in business? Is this why some turn to philanthropy? A new focus.
An interesting thread Gok
Answer: God complex
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05 Aug 2010 Thu 11:17 am |
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So ... are these philanthropists selfish if they keep their billions or selfish if they give half of it away?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/aug/04/us-billionaires-half-fortune-gates
Seeing this news item made me ponder other questions. How much money does one human being need in order to be happy? Do people with billions, or just simply more money than they would ever need, feel they have nothing left to work towards in business? Is this why some turn to philanthropy? A new focus.
An interesting thread Gok
I think that some very very very rich people have almost everything that money can buy, and feel like buying absolutely everything money can buy will not make their lives any better. Perhaps for some rich people this kind of charity is to fill a void in their lives, but I think there is a difference between simply donating money, and being actively involved. Bill Gates has been actively involved in his charities, and this has become a full-time job for him. But keep in mind that there are enough billionaires who do very little for other people with their money. They give some cash to good causes, open a hospital-wing with their names on it, just so people will stop complaining about them  Being involved with charity and giving a cheque to charity are two very different things.
By the way, if you have a 50 million dollar and you give half away, you´ll have 25 million to live your life. Come on If you have 25 million you won´t starve! Your life will probably not change that much at all. If you have 500 dollar, and you give half away, than you´ll simply starve. Giving is much easier when you have so much money, that the interest on that money itself is worth multi-millions per year.
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06 Aug 2010 Fri 07:52 am |
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yes, unfortunately the peoples life are going around their money; we are happy with a few money, or with more, but..why we become the happiest when we get a lot of money; maybe is a kind of selfish, or maybe is just a part of human being
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