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1.       Thebirdy
39 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 06:13 pm

those who think slavery belongs to the past especially in EU should watch I am slave film about modern times Britain and illegal immigrants.Below some lines of its review.

 

Slavery in the UK Today

“When we started researching this story, we discovered that around 14,000 people had been abducted into slavery from south Sudan,” said producer Andrea Calderwood. “Possibly even more shocking for a British audience, there are up to 5000 people who are being held as slaves in the UK today, and that´s the shocking fact. Whenever I tell people that I´m working on a film about slavery in London, they all assume that it´s set 200 years ago. It´s happening now, today.”

The British government estimates that out of those 5000, 80% are sold into prostitution and the rest as forced labour, including domestic slavery. In April 2010, the UK made the holding of someone in servitude (domestic slavery) a crime punishable of up 14 years in prison. The crime of forced labour is now punishable of up to seven years in prison. However, no one has been charged for these crimes since the laws came into force.



Read more at Suite101: I Am Slave: Channel Four Drama Starring Wunmi Mosaku http://www.suite101.com/content/i-am-slave-channel-four-drama-starring-wunmi-mosaku-a278402#ixzz0yCFXVv5s

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2.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 10:23 pm

Slavery is a worldwide problem unfortunately. That´s why I also try to check what kind of chocolate is used in the products that I eat. When you pay attention, you´ll hear a lot of stories about this, in every country. For example, a lot of women working in the sex industry are basically slaves. Sometimes you also see that export-brides are basically slaves to their mother in law. It´s so hard to battle, since the people who are in slavery are often not able, or too scared to go to the police.

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3.       foka
597 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 11:05 pm

http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/default.aspx

 

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4.       armegon
1872 posts
 31 Aug 2010 Tue 11:55 pm

As usual expected message from Barba, but I have to agree that sex slavery is a big problem, Turkey is one of the camp, lots women from east European countries, I do not know how these women fooled with the lies of good job opportunities even millions of Turkish citizen are not able to get a good job...

Quoting barba_mama

Slavery is a worldwide problem unfortunately. That´s why I also try to check what kind of chocolate is used in the products that I eat. When you pay attention, you´ll hear a lot of stories about this, in every country. For example, a lot of women working in the sex industry are basically slaves. Sometimes you also see that export-brides are basically slaves to their mother in law. It´s so hard to battle, since the people who are in slavery are often not able, or too scared to go to the police.

 

 

5.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 12:26 am

Slavery is something that shouldn´t happen in modern times. Unfortunately, sex-slave statistics are scary. Girls get there not only by fake work agencies but are also lured by male hunters or abducted. I strongly feel that if prostitution was legalised and premises where it happens were regularly controlled, the number of sex-slaves would decrease. I honesty cannot comprehend how men can use illegal brothels, drugged girls and not be aware of the fact that they might be forced to work like this. It disgusts me...

 

I must say I was surprised by domestic slaves statistics, I did some googling and I found that most examples quoted refer to Arab, Indian or Nigerian families taking advantage of women. Not particularly surprising, how can you expect that somebody brought up in a patriarchial system that grants women a place in the household hierarchy right behind a donkey, would consider it wrong...

6.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 03:43 pm

Sex slavery is just one part. In Africa a lot cocoa is produced through child-slavery.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/6517695.stm

7.       libralady
5152 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 05:05 pm

 

Quoting Thebirdy

those who think slavery belongs to the past especially in EU should watch I am slave film about modern times Britain and illegal immigrants.Below some lines of its review.

 

Slavery in the UK Today

“When we started researching this story, we discovered that around 14,000 people had been abducted into slavery from south Sudan,” said producer Andrea Calderwood. “Possibly even more shocking for a British audience, there are up to 5000 people who are being held as slaves in the UK today, and that´s the shocking fact. Whenever I tell people that I´m working on a film about slavery in London, they all assume that it´s set 200 years ago. It´s happening now, today.”

The British government estimates that out of those 5000, 80% are sold into prostitution and the rest as forced labour, including domestic slavery. In April 2010, the UK made the holding of someone in servitude (domestic slavery) a crime punishable of up 14 years in prison. The crime of forced labour is now punishable of up to seven years in prison. However, no one has been charged for these crimes since the laws came into force.



Read more at Suite101: I Am Slave: Channel Four Drama Starring Wunmi Mosaku http://www.suite101.com/content/i-am-slave-channel-four-drama-starring-wunmi-mosaku-a278402#ixzz0yCFXVv5s

 

 It is hard to believe there are domestic slaves in the UK in this day and age, but before this film there was a documentary about this. 

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-69/episode-1

It is forced labour and the domestic worker is held to ransome in the home.  I am not sure what sort of person it is that has domestics in this day and age, and does not pay them a living wage.   

It is claimed in the papers that many of these domestic slaves are kept by foreign diplomats who are immune to our laws.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/7970416/Foreign-diplomats-abusing-immunity-to-keep-domestic-slaves-in-Britain.html

 

8.       alameda
3499 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 08:59 pm

 

Quoting Daydreamer

................Not particularly surprising, how can you expect that somebody brought up in a patriarchial system that grants women a place in the household hierarchy right behind a donkey, would consider it wrong...

 

You just can´t let go of it, hmmm? Just who is this "somebody"? Like the illegal immigrant issue, who hires them? Who takes advantage of the "services"?

It exists all over, and has for longer than we can measure. It´s sad really.  There have been numerous cases of it right in Berkeley, CA, and other supposedly "enlightened" places. I once met a young Mexican woman who was purported to have been forced into involuntary servitude by a "nice white" couple as a house servant/sex slave.

When you have vulnerable people and cruel strong people, and those who want services...you have slavery.  As long as those who partake of the services are able to fool themselves about the status of the service they are using, it will exist.



Edited (9/1/2010) by alameda

9.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 01 Sep 2010 Wed 09:22 pm

As you may guess, Alameda, that "somebody" would most likely be a person from equality challenged backward-mentality country like the ones in the Gulf area, or coming from a country where caste system is deep rooted in tradition.

By no means am I saying that "white" British or American people are perfect or would never abuse other people. I´d say that a lot of white men use dodgy brothels and use girls forced into prostitution. however, I´d love to see statistics of domestic slaves "owners" (sorry for using the word owner, I couldn´t come up with something more PC, will gladly read suggestions). Like I said, I googled a few pages and 99% of cases given as examples were Arabs,Nigerians and Indians who felt it natural to keep a domestic slave, often one from their homeland.

Illegal immigrants are another issue, I´ve seen some frightening documentaries about people being brought into US on ships, some of them dying on the way. And then they´re forced to work for free. It is repulsive

10.       Thebirdy
39 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:04 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

Illegal immigrants are another issue, I do not agree DD, i think it is the same issue, at least it was the same in the film I wanted to draw ppl´s attention.  I´ve seen some frightening documentaries about people being brought into US on ships, some of them dying on the way. The same about Italy, Spain and other European countries-why should we concentrate on the US? And then they´re forced to work for free.  Pretty often as domestic slaves.It is repulsive.Agree!!!

but there is another side of a stick here, what about legal-I mean coming from EU countries housewives working without a day off? coping with whims of their Padrone di Casa? or what ever language we can use, suffering humiliation just in the name of better salary...Isn´t it repulsive as well?

 

 

11.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:16 am

 

Quoting Thebirdy

Illegal immigrants are another issue, I do not agree DD, i think it is the same issue, at least it was the same in the film I wanted to draw ppl´s attention. 

Another as in next, not as in different

 I´ve seen some frightening documentaries about people being brought into US on ships, some of them dying on the way. The same about Italy, Spain and other European countries-why should we concentrate on the US? 

I commented on the documentaries I´ve seen and they were about US. I didn´t say it doesn´t happen in Europe, Africa or Asia.

And then they´re forced to work for free.  Pretty often as domestic slaves.

I somehow have a feeling that domestic slaves are just a marginal phenomenon, compared to sex slaves and free labour force for companies...I´ve nothing to prove it with though so I´ll gladly see evidence to the contrary

It is repulsive.Agree!!!

but there is another side of a stick here, what about legal-I mean coming from EU countries housewives working without a day off? coping with whims of their Padrone di Casa? or what ever language we can use, suffering humiliation just in the name of better salary...Isn´t it repulsive as well?

The difference here is choice You can´t compare somebody who has been abducted, had their passport taken and being forced to work for free with somebody who agrees to such conditions. It´s nonsense that people have to endure degrading conditions to make a living - it´s their choice. If you´re willing to work in EU for 5e/day and suffer abuse, then there´s something wrong with you.

 

 

 

 

 

12.       Thebirdy
39 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:21 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

 

 

 

 

 DD pretty often ppl do not know what they may encounter on the spot.Yes, right it is their choice to go forehead and try, but wouldn´t you agree it is like a lottery?you can either hit the jackpot or just lose?

13.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:31 am

Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever - girls working as housekeepers in chain hotels for wages lower than the legal ones, doing 4 rooms an hour or getting fired...I´ve met guys from the construction industry who managed to get illegal jobs during the boom (it was really hard to work illegally back then as they hired anyone), thus have no entitlements to jobseeker´s benefits and now offer to work at ridiculous rates...

Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!

14.       Thebirdy
39 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 12:41 am

 

and work exploitation in case of legal migrants ?which i experienced in EU ..but anyway escaped from the place in which was not given a contract and overloaded with excessive hours



Edited (9/2/2010) by Thebirdy [birdy became nette exhibitionist..]

15.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 04:40 am

 

Quoting Daydreamer

Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever ..............Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!

 

You know, it´s called "White Privledge".......it´s seen in the US with White people having social advantages in comparison to people of color...although it could be in any country and any color.  The weaithy Nigerian´s family.....and on and on...and luck has a lot to do with it. You were lucky enough to be the "right" color, lucky enough to have come from a home were you learned to value yourself. 

You were lucky enough to not be desperate to anything to help your family survive. People who find themselves enslaved are the victims.....it´s wrong to blame them. I know in Latin America many have lost their farms and livlihoods with the introduction of Factory Farms among other things. Their native corn has even been contaminated with GMO corn. GMO corn that has been patented.....

The real blame has to be placed on human greed, lack of empathy for the suffering of others.



Edited (9/2/2010) by alameda [add]

16.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 11:04 am

Alameda, I might be what you call "the right colour" (how racist is that?) but you´d have to know more about my country´s history to consider my legacy advantageous. You have no idea what Polish people had to go through in order to escape their communist country, you´ve no idea how they were treated in Germany or Italy...Do you know how many Polish women married obnoxious Germans or Brits just to buy themselves and their children a better future? I don´t think you do! Do you know what conditions Polish immigrants in the US had to endure? You probably don´t because you´re an American citizen sure of her rights and entitlements and your hobby is looking for injustice towards non-white people and ignore injustice to white folks. That´s not really fair, is it? I´m sick and tired of hearing how easy things are for me just because I´m white. Wake up girl! Being white means nothing as long as you have the wrong passport.

Even now, when we´re in the EU, Poles are being discriminated against in the UK and Ireland. Read statistics about how many Poles have been assaulted only because they´re Polish. Or how easily they´re to blame in courts - circumstantial evidence is enough to grant a young Pole double lifetime sentence for alleged rape, while Brits who beat a Pole to death (and it´s captured on CCTV) get 10 years. That´s really fair!

And the racism card is played way too often. A friend of mine is a supervisor in a shop. You know whom she cannot tell to stop fooling around and get to work? Nigerians. Why? because she immediately gets reported for racism. That´s fair in your opinion, isn´t it?

You can write a book on racism. I´m not saying people are still not being judged basing on their colour. Sure they are. But not all of them. Some are being discriminated because of their nationality, religion, disability or gender. And some abuse the discrimination card. That´s life...

So, stop moaning about how easy it is for white people because the colour of your skin is nt enough to grant you an easy life!

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17.       barba_mama
1629 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 02:32 pm

I don´t agree that people are to blame themselves for what we call slavery. Take the following case. A woman thought she was marrying a good man, as what custom in her culture (arranged wedding). Before she knew it she was a house-slave.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166117/Mother-law-kept-sons-wives-locked-like-slaves-dogs-13-years.html

 

The other cases that we mention here, are not slavery. If you get low crappy pay but you have the choice to leave,  you are not a slave. You are being abused, perhaps. Your working conditions are unfair. But there is a difference with slavery. The slavery part comes where you have no option to leave. Slavery is forced, not by circumstances, but by the "slave owner". Like in the sex industry, when they take the passport away from the young girls that they get their with telling lies.

 

And yes, being white doesn´t make your life great. My grandfather was a slave for a few horrible years, and he was Whitey McWhite, like me

18.       Daydreamer
3743 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 04:24 pm

 

Quoting barba_mama

 

The other cases that we mention here, are not slavery. If you get low crappy pay but you have the choice to leave,  you are not a slave. You are being abused, perhaps. Your working conditions are unfair. But there is a difference with slavery. The slavery part comes where you have no option to leave. Slavery is forced, not by circumstances, but by the "slave owner". Like in the sex industry, when they take the passport away from the young girls that they get their with telling lies.

 

That´s exactly what I was trying to say! Exploitation and slavery are two different things! Choice and ability to quit being the key words here

 

19.       alameda
3499 posts
 02 Sep 2010 Thu 07:42 pm

Daydreamer....chill out and read my post again.....

I said... 

<, it´s called "White Privledge".......it´s seen in the US with White people having social advantages in comparison to people of color...although it could be in any country and any color.  The weaithy Nigerian´s family.....and on and on...and luck has a lot to do with it. You were lucky enough to be the "right" color, lucky enough to have come from a home were you learned to value yourself.>   .............or in other words...LUCKY!!!!...

Rather, I think calling the ones who were enslaved

<<Birdy, sure, a lot depends on luck. But being an immigrant myself I´ve met the weirdest people ever ..............Anyway, if you´re stupid enough to go abroad without knowing the language or having enough money to get by till you get a job, you´re to blame!>>

Shows an amazing lack of understanding of the situation these poor people are in. I wrote "right color" in quotations....meaning it could be any set of circumstances popular at the time. For sure those who have become enslaved are not stupid...they are desparate, in need of compassion and HELP!

....................and yes, I do actually have a pretty good idea of problems Poles have had through history.......nobody gets a free ride in this life, but some are more fortunate that others.

 

 Quoting Daydreamer

Alameda, I might be what you call "the right colour" (how racist is that?) but you´d have to know more about my country´s history to consider my legacy advantageous. You have no idea what Polish people had to go through in order to escape their communist country, you´ve no idea how they were treated in Germany or Italy...Do you know how many Polish women married obnoxious Germans or Brits just to buy themselves and their children a better future? I don´t think you do! Do you know what conditions Polish immigrants in the US had to endure? You probably don´t because you´re an American citizen sure of her rights and entitlements and your hobby is looking for injustice towards non-white people and ignore injustice to white folks. That´s not really fair, is it? I´m sick and tired of hearing how easy things are for me just because I´m white. Wake up girl! Being white means nothing as long as you have the wrong passport.

Even now, when we´re in the EU, Poles are being discriminated against in the UK and Ireland. Read statistics about how many Poles have been assaulted only because they´re Polish. Or how easily they´re to blame in courts - circumstantial evidence is enough to grant a young Pole double lifetime sentence for alleged rape, while Brits who beat a Pole to death (and it´s captured on CCTV) get 10 years. That´s really fair!

And the racism card is played way too often. A friend of mine is a supervisor in a shop. You know whom she cannot tell to stop fooling around and get to work? Nigerians. Why? because she immediately gets reported for racism. That´s fair in your opinion, isn´t it?

You can write a book on racism. I´m not saying people are still not being judged basing on their colour. Sure they are. But not all of them. Some are being discriminated because of their nationality, religion, disability or gender. And some abuse the discrimination card. That´s life...

So, stop moaning about how easy it is for white people because the colour of your skin is nt enough to grant you an easy life!

 

 

20.       pablahol
17 posts
 14 Sep 2010 Tue 04:54 pm

I wouldnt reccommend quoting The Daily Mail - an English, Conservative, right wing scandalmongering  tabloid

that is vastly overrated in Britain because it used to be a broadsheet & its readers think its a cut above the other tabloids which it isnt

 

21.       libralady
5152 posts
 18 Sep 2010 Sat 03:08 pm

 

Quoting pablahol

I wouldnt reccommend quoting The Daily Mail - an English, Conservative, right wing scandalmongering  tabloid

that is vastly overrated in Britain because it used to be a broadsheet & its readers think its a cut above the other tabloids which it isnt

 

 

 I would call the Daily Mail, a scare mongering paper, not a scandal mongering paper - it has done more for the EDL and the BNP than any other paper in the UK.

22.       TheAenigma
5001 posts
 18 Sep 2010 Sat 04:15 pm

 

Quoting Thebirdy

those who think slavery belongs to the past especially in EU should watch I am slave film about modern times Britain and illegal immigrants.Below some lines of its review.

 

Slavery in the UK Today

“When we started researching this story, we discovered that around 14,000 people had been abducted into slavery from south Sudan,” said producer Andrea Calderwood. “Possibly even more shocking for a British audience, there are up to 5000 people who are being held as slaves in the UK today, and that´s the shocking fact. Whenever I tell people that I´m working on a film about slavery in London, they all assume that it´s set 200 years ago. It´s happening now, today.”

The British government estimates that out of those 5000, 80% are sold into prostitution and the rest as forced labour, including domestic slavery. In April 2010, the UK made the holding of someone in servitude (domestic slavery) a crime punishable of up 14 years in prison. The crime of forced labour is now punishable of up to seven years in prison. However, no one has been charged for these crimes since the laws came into force.



Read more at Suite101: I Am Slave: Channel Four Drama Starring Wunmi Mosaku http://www.suite101.com/content/i-am-slave-channel-four-drama-starring-wunmi-mosaku-a278402#ixzz0yCFXVv5s

 

This is a shocking subject which has been discussed a lot in the past few months as the extent of the problem comes to light. 

I would just like to qualify your comment by adding that 100% of these sex slave traders and brothel owners are illegal immigrants. 100%!  However, this does not excuse the customers who visit such places...

 

23.       libralady
5152 posts
 20 Sep 2010 Mon 11:45 pm

 

Quoting TheAenigma

 

 

This is a shocking subject which has been discussed a lot in the past few months as the extent of the problem comes to light. 

I would just like to qualify your comment by adding that 100% of these sex slave traders and brothel owners are illegal immigrants. 100%!  However, this does not excuse the customers who visit such places...

 

 

 It is probably also worth noting that many of these sex traders and brothel owners are women, especially the Asian ones!

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