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Population Exchange
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 08:43 pm |
The BDP voters are not so happy in Turkey, and Iraqi Turkmens are not so happy in Northern Iraq. These two groups amounts are almost the same. So why not to exchange the populations? I think that would be a win - win situation.
What do you think?
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 09:40 pm |
Ooops
Edited (9/19/2010) by TheAenigma
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 09:50 pm |
The BDP voters are not so happy in Turkey, and Iraqi Turkmens are not so happy in Northern Iraq. These two groups amounts are almost the same. So why not to exchange the populations? I think that would be a win - win situation.
What do you think?
Brilliant idea!!!
Though there will be some technical difficulties like ´numbers are huge, BDP is the only party which we can talk for a solution, what if they dont want to leave -in the end, that is their land- etc´, this may solve the problem. Or more brilliant idea would be a relocation of Kurds. Like we did in 1915 to Armenians. That will definitely finish this problem..
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:04 pm |
That system worked out with Greece after the WW1. In order both goverments implemented the policy seriously, almost no ethnical problems occured in Western Therace or in Western Turkey.
Both sides peoples´ whole rights can be saved if both goverments implement the exchange well. Higher expropriotion pays may be offered such as. So the exchangers would earn a higher level of wealth.
The policy may be implemented step by step. Northern Iraq and Turkey can lead trade and cultural programmes etc. So we all live in peace.
Do you agree?
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:24 pm |
The population exchange was not a great idea. It was quite horrible actually..
People were forced to leave where they were living..
Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..
I think all in all, Turkish people should forget ideas such as ´We force you out of Turkey/Go to Northern Iraq etc´.
We have not been able to clear what happened in 1915 after 95 years. We dont want more shame..
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:32 pm |
It has no relationship with relocation. Please don´t change the subject.
If Turkey and Northern Iraq Kurdish Goverment implements that policy well, the leader of BDP, the leaders of Northern Iraq, Iraq and Turkey may take the Nobel Peace Award together.
Any more peaceful solutions to end the bleeding?
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 10:53 pm |
Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..
Why not? Population exchange prevented possible ethnic problems. Ten thousands of people didn´t die afterwards. Both sides peoples are happy in their homes now.
If we could do that 85 years ago with limited opportunities, why not we can´t now? Boths goverments are wealthy enough to offer higher quality of life and wealth to the exchangers.
Please don´t react against with prejudices. We have to end that bleeding and build peace. That policy contrubutes peace both in Iraq and in Turkey.
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 11:22 pm |
Population exchange may not be right even if it is done between between two states with an agreement.. You have to ask people if they want to relocate. It is done in 1920s, you can not do in these days..
Why not? Population exchange prevented possible ethnic problems. Ten thousands of people didn´t die afterwards. Both sides peoples are happy in their homes now.
If we could do that 85 years ago with limited opportunities, why not we can´t now? Boths goverments are wealthy enough to offer higher quality of life and wealth to the exchangers.
Please don´t react against with prejudices. We have to end that bleeding and build peace. That policy contrubutes peace both in Iraq and in Turkey.
Population exchange in 1920s was terrible and screwed up people´s lives..
Forcing people out the the places where they are living was not humane, is not humane, it will never be humane.. It might have looked like a normal thing to do in 1920s, considering all muslim migrants from balkans and other places during that period of time..
But we are in 2010.. It would be considered as ´crime against humanity´.
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19 Sep 2010 Sun 11:30 pm |
Yeah, we are in 2010. Social sustainability, complex solutions for peace building and bilateral or international cooperation in the solution of problems is the trend of this era.
If this policy is implemented with encouragment, it may bring sustainable peace and social confort for the whole region.
I am hopeful...
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 05:19 pm |
The Director of MIT (Turkish Intelligence Organisation) has gone to the USA yesterday, to speak with the Directors of CIA and NSA.
I hope and think population exchange takes a significant place on thier agenda.
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 05:34 pm |
I would not hold my breath on it..
It is not ethical; it is not democratic; it is against the human rights!!
In Turkey, we get used those ideas being trashed to the side and saying ´oh if the national security is the matter, the rest is nothing´ etc..
But the world is not like that..
Ethics, human rights, democracy etc are important.
If you dont have them in your country, if you ignore them, you are called barbaric..
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 05:45 pm |
Baby killers cant talk about ethics!
Dont be crazy. Dont be bias. We need a solutions which both sides win! And thats a tested and peaceful solution offer. Do you have a better theory?
I am sure we are able to implement population exchange successefully.
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 05:51 pm |
Sorry
It is never going to happen..
It was WRONG to do it, even in 1920s..
Simply, you can not FORCEFULLY kick people out of their country..
That is the bottom line..
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 05:59 pm |
We are not talking about anything obligatory. The exchange will take place volunterely! You know that i am not talking about forcing people. Why do you try to change the subject? This is a peaceful win-win project that is based on volunteers.
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 06:35 pm |
Population exchange was a HORRIBLE thing to do..
No one will accept this exchange..
We just get more democratic and give our Kurds their "well deserved basic human rights" and problem goes away..
As simple as that...
Edited (9/20/2010) by thehandsom
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 07:20 pm |
Lets wait and see what happens.
I am also waiting like you.
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 07:22 pm |
We are not talking about anything obligatory. The exchange will take place volunterely! You know that i am not talking about forcing people. Why do you try to change the subject? This is a peaceful win-win project that is based on volunteers.
If it were a voluntary move, what would be the problem? I´m sure there may be some Kurds in SE Turkey who may prefer to live in a Kurdish controled area, and likewise with the Turkomen. Of course, the huge problem would be exchange for kind. There will always be those who claim their property is/was better than those they went to.
Isn´t there a town that was Greek, but was abandoned some years ago that is a ghost town now? I think there are some haunting photos of some of those homes here.
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20 Sep 2010 Mon 07:50 pm |
Turkey will go on democratization. Local Goverments will be empowered. Kurdish societies rights will be going on to saved.
However, these reforms will not include autonomy, the education language will remain Turkish etc. Extreme wishes of BDP/PKK will not be met in Turkey. All in all, most Kurdish people rather than BDP voters do not have expectations like authonomy or Kurdish as education language.
Together with that, Turkey is a social country, if the Goverment can not meet a group of her citizens wishes, she must create alternatives for them to meet their needs. After the population exchange the unrested people will able to live in a country where Kurdish is the main language and where the flag is yellow, red and green.
Thats why, population exchange is a duty for social goverments.
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