Oh limon,

I don´t see any solution to this problem in the near future, unfortunately. I think education would help but we should see many generations come and go.

How can you change the mentality from today to tomorrow? They see these girls something (a slave actually) to be sold. How many children would you yourself like to have? 2/3/4? These guys have more than 10 usually. I heard of a guy with 39 children from different wives. They are so shameless that they even apply to the State to demand poverty aid. They don´t work at all. They force their children do all the work (including begging in streets, collecting stuff from dust bins etc). The girls have no chance to get any education usually (why need such an effort since they are to be sold when they are 12 or above).

Also some time ago, I had posted an example of how they are sold here

BTW, I am curious why do you always turn si++ to si--?

Doing all my best to offend you.

Thank you for your post.

So I was right, theres nothing one can do in order to help those girls, tough and bitter reality.

Nobody can take offence at their own words. If they do then it´s perhaps that they are asamed of what they swear by

Crying that they were insulted or provoked is a trick on their behalf to take the attention off the topic. In more or less the same way when in other forums somebody´s spelling is criticised instead of the content of his/her post. I got used to being fed weak comparisons of medieval laws to justify contemporary actions, as well the everlasting argument "how many x do you actually know in person to have an opinion" - I don´t know any murderers in person but I still have an opinion!

Whether or not you approve of the way I called Alameda´s name, you can´t tell me I lied or twisted her words. M ost of you haven´t been here long enough to rememeber all the fiery discussions we´ve had and that´s why you think it was an attack while it was just stating a fact. As it turned out later on, I was right. And that´s all I´m going to say about this thing as it got really boring and not to the point. If anyone wishes to sermon me further, please PM me, I´d rather focus on the topic here

Now, back on topic. I´d like to hear a sensible solution because apparently the only thing I´m hearing is that Turkey does not discriminate against women as they were the first to get the voting right. Switzerland was the last 1971 and now women make the majority in government.

Just checked Wiki, seems Turkey was not first at all

In the years before World War I, Norway (1913) and Denmark (1915) also gave women the right to vote, and it was extended throughout the remaining Australian states. Near the end of the war, various states gave women the right to vote, including Canada, Soviet Russia, Germany and Poland. British women over 30 had the vote in 1918, Dutch women in 1919, and American women in states that had previously denied them suffrage were allowed the vote in 1920. Women in Turkey were granted voting rights in 1926. In 1928, suffrage was extended to all British women on the same terms as men, that is, for persons 21 years old and older. One of the most recent jurisdictions to grant women full equal voting rights was Bhutan in 2008.

I have no idea how to introduce a change. It seems reasonable to assume that once women have a chance to educate themselves and are able to support themselves, they´ll do the revolution ont heir own. Poverty and religiousness are key factors making it hard for them to be men´s equals.

 It is offensive when, instead of a quote in context is taken, and an out of context synopsis of what you thought was intended is presented as a quote.  I will stand by what I say, when it is presented in context and an accurate quote is used.

You must realize by now I don´t suffer misrepresentation of my thoughts easily. I am having to defend myself.

The topic is an important one, and instead of discussing the topic, it has been turned into this. I was not in this thread, you brought me into it, and if you insist on bringing  me into it.

Do these women know it is a bad thing? Why do we consider it a bad thing?

Personally, I think it is a good thing and a bad thing, it depends on how you look at things, no? So, what is bad to people who think this situation is awful, to these women it is just life to them. They might not know any different.

As humans, we can only judge personally what is right and wrong. So if they rebel against or follow, that is their choice.

So I look at it as they choice not to try to escape, they choose to wake up in that situation, they choose not to help themselves, then that is what they want.

Unmei, I think I hate you.

Children are children. Do you think you should ask children if they want marriage or being matched for money?

Correct me if I am wrong.

Aah...people hate things they don´t understand.

Lemon, you can choose to look at things in many different ways! Open your eyes to that and you will find things in this world are not as bad as we make them to be.

You make this situation look bad only to yourself. Because you know what is bad to you by your own understanding. That is why you ´hate´ what I say. But your alright Lemon

What makes you think that I dont understand? What makes you think that you understand?

What is the difference between you and me?

Unmei, in that case, lets sell you to a person you dont know.

By following your pattern it may lead anyone to understand and accept everything, you just accept it. With this we can even accept all sorts of crime.

Forgive me, but I have strong stances in many life areas. White is white, black is black, no grey zone.

 I posted the information regarding the age of consent in Europe in response to the statement certain people would be considered pedophiles today. I did that to show the context of certain 7th Century actions.

According to todays accepted standard definition, pretty much the whole of Europe would been considered pedophiles, particularly the royalty and upper classes.

Do we need this information, Alameda? What for? How do this help or ease the problem of todays children being forced into marriages?

Yes, things happent in the past. So? Does it somehow justify anything? That history we all know and theres no need to educate us.

Alameda, unfortunately, you still keep resorting to your old tricks - throw the ball into the neighour´s court - diverting attention from the real topic.

 I think you have it si++

Education is the answer...when certain actions become socially unacceptable, when people are ashamed of their actions, when they are ostracized by their community, then they stop. Thus it would seem consciousness raising is the key.