I strongly disagree with all of you. At the same time I understand what you are saying. If not a change in my life I would be speaking the same things now as you are, because I was bombarded by the same mass media sources.

My priorities were freedom, democracy, equality, human rights, honesty, peace etc. Its been not long ago I´ve come to understanding that everything fails and will fail. I also see that globalist propagandists from UN and EU (paid by elitists) have done a huge work through mass media to prepare the mass for the one world government.

The soil is ready. See the results: you all speak in accord. They make you believe that you are free, but you dont see you arent. You are system slaves. Welcome to the New Age!

They have used and played terror acts in order to tighten the control system by amending the laws. Now everywhere there will be cameras, your bank accounts and incomes are transparent. You are watched like in Big Brother. And they will tell you that its all for your security.

Many people say that humans are developing, but they arent, they are actually downgrading.

There have been many lies in mass media people took in.

9/11, moonlanding, evolution, heliocentricity, etc.

After all this its easy to manipulate people, because people by nature are naive and tend to trust the government. Why? Why not? Because the holy cow UN, EU and USA say so, "the inventors of freedom and democracy" with the help of other holy cow giant mass media corporates (again controlled by the elite) like BBC, CNN, ABC, National Pornography, Beast Planet.

The more you learn the more it makes you sad.

Maybe there are lies that you´ve also believed,that you continue to believe, that stop you opening your eyes to the bigger picture. 

Sometimes, being an ordiary person gives one a lot of freedom with the things he/she wants to say, his/her preferences and the stuff like that. Reading the things she wrote and doing a bit of reading between the lines, I conclude, Daydreamer doesn´t like Islam as an entity and that she considers the whole religion and the Muslim community as a threat to the Western ideals. She bashes a faith which should largely depend on personal choice by using her personal freedom. I have a right to wish that this remains as the desire of an ordinary person and not that of the European politicians who in my opinion must find a way to solve this aloof xenophobia.

I know this point has been presented to the public in a provocative tone for years. For example, while I was wondering why the CNN were not making any manipulative news on Turkey for a long while, a new salvo of them has newly arrived and strangely this coincided with the worsening relations with Israel. Now the entire world will remember the ugly face of Turkey because documentaries and special news coverages will come one after another. This is proof that our beloved Europe is still a raw ideal populated by people who are not very different from Arabs in the way they react to things. Retaliative thinking is still so much in fashion. Only few intellectuals considers religions for what they are, a personal choice meant for seeking and finding internal peace.

I like Jesus Christ. I believe he was a decent person. A prophet? No, in my opinion, he was just an idealistic person who wanted to introduce a new order in a world of liars and betrayers. The same people still live today, thanks to Islam and the Christian faith there are a great deal of people who could convert themselves into more peaceful, helpful and compassionate beings. Sister Teresa was one such person in the Christian World, Yunus Emre or Rumi were two others from the other camp. They inspired millions of people to be better individuals. For me, the religions of these persons are not important at all. I consider the result, and they have my respect for being what they are.

If you take your time and want to learn about the teachings of a faith system that is so allergetic to you, I suggest that you read its philosophy. Maybe you will realize this world is not meant for Europeans to live and prosper only. We need every culture and life style that exists in this world not just their wealth, money, freedom or resources.

It´s not so much the fate that I abhor as far as Islam is concerned, after all Christianity is equally bigoted, cruel and against equality, it´s the culture that hasn´t got rid of the elements that make it stick in the 8th century. I am all for freedom of religion, you´re welcome to abstain for certain kinds of food, name your god as you please and celebrate any day in any form you find appropriate as long as your religious views do not contradict what I consider a great achievement in terms of human rights. I´m talking about equality of sexes, about the right of individual to choose their religion, spouse, lifestyle and clothes.

You may consider me intolerant because I am against ancient tribal lifestyle where women have less rights thab men or when family finds it justified to kill a woman only because she chose to life differently than they like. Also, I´m talking about things like making it hard for other people to have different religious views - think death sentences for converting, ban on women to marry outside faith or bombing people because they go to church rather than mosque.

I´m all in favour of people keeping their culture, but not the barbaric traditions. We wouldn´t let cannibals eat other people in Europe, why should we allow Muslims violate our laws? Why should integration mean we can´t call our holidays by their name, but they should be able to call theirs as they please? We like pork - deal with it, nobody is forcing you to eat it here, don´t make us give it up only because you don´t eat it.

Despite its sheer complexity, human society is not very different from an ant colony as far as the basic structure is concerned. Some of us have to breathe coal sand in gloomy mine galleries thereby getting the cancer at an early age while some others must beg for money in the streets. Women of bad fate sell their bodies. Despite all those laws and legislations we are not better than ants when it comes to settling the structural problems of our colonies. Instead, we learn to live with the shortcomings and seek solutions that could improve things rather than whining over the things that can not change no matter how hard we try.

I have chosen to be a non-believer, I live in a Muslim country and most of my friends and relatives are Muslims. I reckon there are hings to be gained from being a part of a religious community. First of all, religion acts like a bond, it keeps nations together. If it weren´t for Christianity, there would probably be no Greece, Serbia, Croatia or Poland today. History tells us, it is easier for people of the same religion  to unite and protect themselves. It creates a kind of synergy needed for common people to set higher targets and to align themselves to a course of development which brings forth power and prosperity in the end.

A couple of days ago, I found a documentry on Youtube featuring a trial conducted by a team from a Japanese TV company back in the 70´s.. They wanted to test the assumptions proposed by scientists regarding the techniques employed by ancient Egyptians when they build those collosal pyramids. The team uses high tech equipment, heavy machinery and the service of scientist and their advanced calculations to replicate the construction of a pyramid in a much much smaller scale. After months of work, they give up. Summarizing the whole campaign the team leader makes thisstatement: We have failed. The main reason of our failure was not technical. I now understand that those people must really have been very ardent believers. Their belief was so strong that they could build this masterpiece often creating the tools and equipment even more precise and mightier than the ones we used thousands of years later.

If a man and a woman think they must live by the rules of Islam and if they have no objections whatsoever about the things they would lose in the personal freedoms department, that would perfectly OK for me. They have my respect. I obviously don´t think like them but I respect their choices just like I respect lesbians, gays, etc. In my opinion, these are all choices and reasons and motivations may not appear valid to everyone but we must try to understand these people anyhow. Bashing a Muslim is no different from bashing a gay person. These days the latter is considered an offense - just another double standard...

If all the people who worry about "being slaves to the media", "slaves to indoctrination" ad so forth would worry about people who are actual slaves (like is still very common in the cacao-trade, in the sex-industry, etc.), the world would become a lot better.

My basic premise in life is live and let live. I only have problem with religious people once they break my part of "living". You make choices for your life, I make choices for my life. I get ticked off when I hear that my local supermarket is selling halal meat, without labelling it. I want to be able to make an informed choice, and I should not be secretly fed meat that isn´t stunned before slaughter. But at the same time the newly installed "burka-ban" in Holland ticks me off as well. I don´t want to walk around in a burka, but who am I to decide for others if they can´t? The problem with the burka is that often the family pressures a woman to wear it. Government says it´s against this pressure... So they pressure a woman to not wear it! How distorted.

This discussion reminds me a bit of the Maldives. The first thing that pops into your mind is "tropical islands"... But do you also know that it is a muslim country? And that other religions are in fact illegal there? It seems these tropical islands could teach Iran a lesson.

This is stolen from wikipedia, about the Maldives: The open practice of all other religions is forbidden and such actions are liable to prosecution under the law of the country. According to the revised constitution, in article two, it says that the republic "is based on the principles of Islam." Article nine says that "a non-Muslim may not become a citizen of the Maldives"; number ten says that "no law contrary to any principle of Islam can be applied in the Maldives." Article nineteen states that "citizens are free to participate in or carry out any activity that is not expressly prohibited by sharia or by the law."

You can find funnier laws in the US States. It is just a matter of selective attention.

Here is a pick: Illinois

Bashing anyone basing only on the social group they belong to is wrong. However, I have yet to hear about a country that punishes you with death for changing your sexual orientation from gay to straight. I´ve heard about ones killing people for converting from Islam. Of course, if a woman feels she´s inferior to men, it´s her choice to live like this and it´s none of my busines. However, if women´s inferiority is written in law, then there´s something wrong.

The world is full of ridiculous laws and so are religions (for laughs check out a bogus baptist church http://www.landoverbaptist.net/? and see what Christianity would be like if people were crazy enough to proctice it as it is). It doesn´t worry me until these laws and rules are applied in real life, like the one you quote about Illinois. Western civilisation has been through a lot in order to do away with backwardness imposed on it by religion. We don´t want to go back there.

So, if you´re choosing to come and live in the west, you´re very welcome to do that. Just obey our laws and don´t make us take a step back in our development. If you´re all in for living like they didin 7th century, pick SA or Emirates and I´m sure you´ll be happy there and they´ll be happy to have another follower of inequality and injustice (according to the western values)

Daydreamer, the problem here is that you should be more specific with your protest. When you say Islam is responsible for this not only are you making a factual mistake but you also target billions of believers who have nothing to do with the policies of the country you are talking about. That´s why I suggested you should read about Islam before coming to these generalistic conclusions. Islam is not limited to Saudi Arabia or the like.

Merhaba !

I believe that, after all, Matrix is not such a science-fiction film. You can see many "real" things if you watch accurately.

I like that film very much and I also like The Last Samuray. Here, even the King was made believe that new deep cultural changes were necessary and very good .. for the sake of all the people.. of course...

I wish you all Iyi geceler and for tomorrow iyi günler.



I´ll try to be as specific as I can. I am against ANY country that operates on Sharia law, any country that makes religious beliefs law and any country whose citizens are not free to choose their religion as individuals. Maybe it´s coincidence that all of the above concern Muslim countries. But is it really? Or is Islam to blame for the above?

Of course not all Muslims are like this. But these countries are all Muslim. Does it have nothing to do with religion? I hardly think so.

I´ve read enough about Islam to have an informed opinion about it. Bashing it is not my hobby horse just like Islam is not my pet peeve. However it´s hard not to draw conclusions when you have eyes, ears and brain. Of course not all countries with Muslim majority are the same, Turkey is a great example of how even religion as hostile as Islam can function peacefully (more or less) in a society.