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Norway: island shooting death toll rises to 84
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25 Jul 2011 Mon 09:58 pm |
I always asked myself If I am a good person and hate violence, why I like killing people in video games. I couldnt find an answer. Maybe I am not as good as I think.
Edited (7/25/2011) by gokuyum
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26 Jul 2011 Tue 12:41 am |
I´d rather blame his own paranoia than video games. Besides, it´s pretty difficult these days to find a thirty-two year old who has never played a gorey video game. Fortunately not all of them turn out to be psychos. Although I agree that the amount of violence we´re being exposed to as the result of mega fast information flow is shocking.
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26 Jul 2011 Tue 02:21 am |
I´d rather blame his own paranoia than video games. Besides, it´s pretty difficult these days to find a thirty-two year old who has never played a gorey video game. Fortunately not all of them turn out to be psychos. Although I agree that the amount of violence we´re being exposed to as the result of mega fast information flow is shocking.
The problem here is even pacifist, peace-loving people play these games and to kill people in these games give them joy. This makes me think. I dont blame games. I blame us. A monster lives in all of us and it waits to wake up. We must be very carefull.
Edited (7/26/2011) by gokuyum
Edited (7/26/2011) by gokuyum
Edited (7/26/2011) by gokuyum
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26 Jul 2011 Tue 10:23 am |
I saw an interview with this man´s father yesterday. He was shocked and said a normal person would have never done it, so his son must have some issues. Also, I saw an interview with a Norwegian of Polish origin who survived the massacre on the island being shot in the arm. It was horrifying to hear about a man looking his victims face to face only to shoot them with dum-dum bullets, he heard them beg for mercy and still kill them in cold blood. people were hiding under the bodies of their dead friends as he was finishing off those he saw were alive with a shot in the head. Sick and revolting.
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26 Jul 2011 Tue 08:45 pm |
So we went back to the games... crazy... The mindset of racists and any other extremists is the danger here, not video games. No WoW character ever had to go to an island and kill people who couldn´t defend themselves. I have never seen a bomb made of fertilizer in Halo. Real life has enough violence that influences people, which doesn´t even come close to the violence you see in videogames. I´m sure the victims on that island played videogames too.
I keep hoping that this action shows the dangers of racism, and will mean a shift away from the racists inspired parties that I see springing up every where around the world. He mentioned Wilders, the Dutch politician in his manifest... I hope people can see the link between Wilders and the uprising of crazy people like this. THAT link is much clearer than the link between his actions and videogames. Racism has no place in any modern society, and I hope people will start to understand this... it is the only positive thing that can come from a disaster like this.
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26 Jul 2011 Tue 11:51 pm |
So we went back to the games... crazy... The mindset of racists and any other extremists is the danger here, not video games. No WoW character ever had to go to an island and kill people who couldn´t defend themselves. I have never seen a bomb made of fertilizer in Halo. Real life has enough violence that influences people, which doesn´t even come close to the violence you see in videogames. I´m sure the victims on that island played videogames too.
I keep hoping that this action shows the dangers of racism, and will mean a shift away from the racists inspired parties that I see springing up every where around the world. He mentioned Wilders, the Dutch politician in his manifest... I hope people can see the link between Wilders and the uprising of crazy people like this. THAT link is much clearer than the link between his actions and videogames. Racism has no place in any modern society, and I hope people will start to understand this... it is the only positive thing that can come from a disaster like this.
You talk like racism is a seperate thing from human nature. The main problem is human nature. We are capable of doing everything we want and we just need an excuse. This time it is racism; next time it will be religion. I am trying to say we are dangerous creatures.
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27 Jul 2011 Wed 02:10 pm |
Much has been written and said in the past few days about Anders Behring Breivik´s anti-Islam terrorism. The guy hates Muslim, there´s no question about it, but what I find curious, is that he intended to fight them by killing his fellow countrymen. There´s a lot of talk in the anti-Islamic blogosphere about a coming civil war, when the Europeans will rise up and deport their Muslim neighbors. But with all the talk of deportations and ethnic cleansing and armed resistance, Breivik´s civil war didn´t target Muslims, it targeted the non-Muslims he saw as traitors, the ´cultural Marxist/multiculturalist elites of Europe´. From his point of view, Muslims weren´t even players in the game.
He has no problems with attacks against Muslims, as a way of encouraging Jihadi attacks, which will prove that Muslims are terrorists etc etc etc. But even in this case, Muslims are just tools in his fight against the European traitors.
There are Muslims among the victims in Utøya, but they weren´t killed as Muslims for their religion, they were killed as Norwegians for their political views. Anders Behring Breivik might be the symbol of anti-Islamic madness, but in a way, his terrorism is as anti-anti-Islamic as you can get.
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27 Jul 2011 Wed 04:07 pm |
One can not rationalize the irrational. This man has a heart full of hate and a twisted ideology. His actions where a way of validating his thought process and his greatest hope was to spark some sort of revolution of like thinkers (of which there are plenty...on both sides). I am a Christian myself and I see this very simply...it is pure evil. I don´t really want to go any further with that thought, just suffice to say if I had any doubts of its existance, I no longer do.
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27 Jul 2011 Wed 09:26 pm |
True, however the flames were fanned by the likes of Daniel Pipes, Pamela Geller and others. This is not the first right wing terrorist attack, let´s not forget the Gabriel Giffords, the many anti abortion murders.......These people and others lend credibility to people like Anders Breivik. Violent games train them.
We need to rethink our society. I have never plaid one of those hideous games. Why on earth would I want to? I much prefer admiring the beauty of the passing clouds, smelling roses and other such activities.
You know the thing about evil is, it´s sort of marbled in society and all of us. It´s like layers of evil swirled around. Nobody is pure evil, even Hitler has some woderful qualities. Have you ever seen film clips of him with children and friends? However, lurking in the next layer was a monster.
One can not rationalize the irrational. This man has a heart full of hate and a twisted ideology. His actions where a way of validating his thought process and his greatest hope was to spark some sort of revolution of like thinkers (of which there are plenty...on both sides). I am a Christian myself and I see this very simply...it is pure evil. I don´t really want to go any further with that thought, just suffice to say if I had any doubts of its existance, I no longer do.
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28 Jul 2011 Thu 10:32 pm |
Behring Breivik asked for an open trial and for a permission to wear a uniform in front of the judge. Fortunately he was denied all publicity. Part of the reason was that they didn´t want to give the man a chance to bring his sick ideas to light in public. In my opinion, a person who blindly kills innocent people and then tries to rise his voice to explain his point should be hit to his mouth with a rifle back.
Societies like those in Scandinavia are vulnerable against this kind of attacks. The Internet gives people a possibility to be in contact in a way never seen before. Unfortunately it unites maniacs, too. We had two school shootings in Finland within two years, and these boys are said to have found their inspiration in violence and misanthropy related sites.
What is worrying is the change of atmosphere which has happened in Europen countries. A few years ago racist talk was a sure way to show one´s lack of culture. Nowadays these "immigration critics" are considered respectable citizens and even educated people are accompanying them at least silently. Maybe what happened in Norway will open some eyes. If it was an al-Qaida attack there would be a hell loose here.
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