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CAN MAN TRAVEL FASTER THAN LİGHT ?
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10.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 08:21 am

 

Quoting gokuyum

 

You only need inspiration from God, not physics

 

 

If God had to choose between a man who sat in a cave, prayed and waited for inspiration and another man who studied physics to advance the rest of the humanity, God would have chosen the second one.... 

11.       Abla
3648 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 10:02 am

Quote:AlphaF

If God had to choose between a man who sat in a cave, prayed and waited for inspiration and another man who studied physics to advance the rest of the humanity, God would have chosen the second one....

 

No, AlphaF, that is if you had to choose.

12.       Umut_Umut
485 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 10:28 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

No, AlphaF, that is if you had to choose.

 

 heheh dramatically right. But i think AlphaF supposed, God would want that. And according to what i believe and what i know from the book that was sent by Allah, i agree with AlphaF.

13.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 10:54 am

 

Quoting Abla

 

 

No, AlphaF, that is if you had to choose.

Read your divine book again...Especially the first page; make sure it is the Quran you are reading..

 

14.       gokuyum
5050 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 12:25 pm

Why do birds fly but men can´t, because birds study physics more than humans? Or because God wants so? I don´t know the reason. But they still fly So why wouldn´t a caveman travel faster than light after God had given him the inspiration?



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15.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 04:44 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

Why do birds fly but men can´t, because birds study physics more than humans? Or because God wants so? I don´t know the reason. But they still fly So why wouldn´t a caveman travel faster than light after God had given him the inspiration?

 

No, God created birds with wings and allowed them limited filight capacities within close proximity of mother earth, but not enough brains to strive for anything better; as far as I know, they lack both the aspiration and the brains to venture into space travel.

Man, on the other hand, was created without wings, but with brains and God´s encouragement to test the limits of his full capabilities. There are positive signs that man is following these guidelines succesfully, considering a walk in the space has already became a realty. Did you hear of a space flying bird yet?

If testing the limits of universe takes mastering of physics, by God, we should all go for it. İf you consider "kelam" and "fıkıh" as likelier sources of knowledge to allow us a  landing on Mars, so that must be the way for the likes of you !

It is only a matter of having enough gray cells to make the right decision.

I have a strong suspicion that you will find  Mr. Edison very close to the Creator up there, not because he prayed all day but because he provided mankind with light, through hard brain work, and  positive science.

A caveman can not fly faster than light, because flying faster than light takes hard work and deep knowledge of physical sciences. Only a caveman can be dumb enough to expect he will receive such a god given gift, only because he has more hair on his chest.

 



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16.       vineyards
1954 posts
 18 Oct 2012 Thu 10:47 pm

We humans have excellent mental capabilities thanks to our small but efficient brains. The brain has evolved over the millenias but its ultimate purpose has remained the same: to control our ancient bodies. The brain has also evolved in order to answer the gradual changes in man´s life and developed cognitive capabilities to ensure its protection and continuation.

The brain, despite all its complexity is merely a closed-circuit thinking machine. It cannot derive any conclusions unless those conclusions already exist as tangible concepts in its registry. The brain is also not very comfortable with facing its own limitations. There must always be a canned thought, a belief or a symbol to fill in for the missing parts in the said registry.

The brain tends to reject the idea of total-destruction. This self-driven thinking machine, does its magic by producing aliases to avoid dead-ends. Those dead-ends are the triggers of primeval fears. To suppress them we need a substitute the presence of which bridges the unknown with the known. This way the brain protects itself from unproductive vicious circles.



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17.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 19 Oct 2012 Fri 03:46 am

 

Quoting vineyards

We humans have excellent mental capabilities thanks to our small but efficient brains. The brain has evolved over the millenias but its ultimate purpose has remained the same: to control our ancient body. The brain has also evolved in order to answeri the gradual changes in man´s life. Developed cognitive capabilities to ensure its protection and continuation.

The brain, despite all its complexity is merely a closed-circuit thinking machine. It cannot derive any conclusions unless those conclusions already exist as tangible concepts in its registry. The brain is also not very comfortable with facing its own limitations. There must always be canned a thought, a belief or a symbol to fill in for the missing parts in the said registry.

The brain tends to reject the idea of total-destruction. This self-driven thinking machine, does its magic by producing aliases to avoid dead-ends. Those dead-ends are the triggers of primeval fears. To suppress them we need a substitute the presence of which bridges the unknown with the known. This way the brain protects itself from unproductive vicious circles.

 

i respect biology but "evolved" part is not certain, at least for humans.

and there is more than brain. this "more" part is more important than the brain also!

The things makes our personality and consciousnes  are not a bunch of billions dumb cells in the brain. Yet we are partially connected to our brain and neural system until death.

we have soul and nafs, both unacceptable in modern biology. the closest expression of this concept may be metaphysics.
humans have the capability of doing good and bad things. soul id pure and good, and always likes good things. nafs is dirty and bad, and always likes bad things. the mind has partial capability of seperating good and bad and their results. there are some other metaphysical parts in human such as heart (not physical blood pump heart) etc...

all these have no connection to biology. and according to positivist scientists, there are no such things! But do we all have to be positivist!

18.       AlphaF
5677 posts
 19 Oct 2012 Fri 08:48 am

Yet we are partially connected to our brain and neural system until death.

 

Brain and neural system......are they really our tools of perception, or could they be a kind of screen that filter (limit) our capability of perception - allowing us only a partial perception of the universe -  perhaps to protect us from what we are not ready (prepared) to perceive yet ?

Can "development of human mind" be a pre-programmed relaxation of these limitations, thus increasing human capacity to understand and perceive, initiated by knowledge and hard work?

Are those without "knowledge and hard work" destined to remain at the basic level of being a human...while some others seem able to advance?

19.       ikicihan
1127 posts
 19 Oct 2012 Fri 10:33 pm

 

Brain and neural system......are they really our tools of perception, or could they be a kind of screen that filter (limit) our capability of perception - allowing us only a partial perception of the universe -  perhaps to protect us from what we are not ready (prepared) to perceive yet ?

 

i think our body with all neural system is a tool to see, to move, to live in this temporary world. it gives us the ability to do whatever we can able to do, otwerwise we would be like dead people. In other words, it gives us ability to act, rather than limit us.

But for some high level people, this body and life limits them, they are more free and more powerful after getting rid of this body, in other words, after death! by the will of God.

We are ready or not, we will see and understand what is right, what is wrong, what is truth after death! İnsanoğlu uykudadır, ölünce uyanır. (Humans are asleep, they wake up after death)

 

Can "development of human mind" be a pre-programmed relaxation of these limitations, thus increasing human capacity to understand and perceive, initiated by knowledge and hard work?

 

human capacity of understanding is not increasing, only the knowledge and technology is increasing. a man lived five thousands years ago may be more clever than a man now, but with less life comfort.

Are those without "knowledge and hard work" destined to remain at the basic level of being a human...while some others seem able to advance?

 

Knowledge and work is necessary but not enough. Ameller niyetlere göredir. (Deeds are by Intentions) Advancing in technology is not a criterion for total advance. You can have deadly weapons with ultra high technology after very hard working but this cannot make you an advanced human. Protecting and cleaning your heart, getting rid of bad habits and sins, helping others etc. make you an advanced human.

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we are going out of topic, this is not a good place for endless discussions.

20.       vineyards
1954 posts
 20 Oct 2012 Sat 01:04 am

Any dialogue that involves God is doomed for failure unless the parties share the same belief.

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