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1.       Gölge
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:28 pm

This may be a stupid question but I am stuck on something in grammar that I learned before but forgot... It´s a bit difficult to explain but I will try my best... to explain with examples.

´They were coming´ = geliyor-lar-dı ... in this case the ´dı´ is imek-form, and these come after ´ler/lar´...

 

But my question is the next example... ´They have come´. Is it gel-ler-di (and is the ´di´ again too ´weak´ to break up ´lar´?) Or is it gel-di-ler (and is the ´di´ this time ´stronger´ because it´s not an imek-form this time?

 

I really need this answer so I hope someone can answer soon... Sorry if it´s a stupid question.

2.       burakk
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:35 pm

its not stupid. in "geli yor lar dı", there are two tenses. yor and dı. bileşik zaman. in "gel di ler" there is only one tense. dı.

ler comes after the first tense because the second tense, the "ek fiil", comes to the end of the word. gelmişlerdi, gelirlerdi, etc these are actually all gelmişler idi, gelirler idi etc. so the second tense comes to the end of the word, after everything.



Edited (8/24/2013) by burakk

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3.       Gölge
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:38 pm

So ler always comes after the first tense? So the correct answer to my second example is ´geldiler´?

4.       gokuyum
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:46 pm

ler/lar is a personal ending here (for third person plural) So it must be always at the end. 

geliyordular

Also look at here: http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=31&T1=gelmek

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5.       burakk
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:49 pm

Yes correct is geldiler

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6.       Gölge
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:51 pm

Oh I guess my professor is wrong because I have in my notes right in front of me ´geliyorlardı´. That ler/lar exceptionally comes before ´dı´ here because it´s an imek-form, a ´help-tense´ :-/

 

But thank you!!

7.       Gölge
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 10:52 pm

Thank you to you too Burakk  çok teşekkürler!

8.       gokuyum
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 11:01 pm

 

Quoting Gölge

Oh I guess my professor is wrong because I have in my notes right in front of me ´geliyorlardı´. That ler/lar exceptionally comes before ´dı´ here because it´s an imek-form, a ´help-tense´ :-/

 

But thank you!!

Yes it is past of i-mek form. But there is no such a rule ler must come before it. At least I havent heart such a rule. Also you can look at the link I gave you for verb conjugations. It is like I said there too.

 

9.       Gölge
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 11:03 pm

Tamam

10.       burakk
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 24 Aug 2013 Sat 11:15 pm

 

Quoting gokuyum

ler/lar is a personal ending here (for third person plural) So it must be always at the end. 

geliyordular

Also look at here: http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.php?D1=31&T1=gelmek

 

actually both works

 

Past Progressive, narrative

ben   geliyordum
sen   geliyordun
o     geliyordu
biz   geliyorduk
siz   geliyordunuz
onlar geliyordular; geliyorlardı

 

 

Örnek: Bir güzelin hayranı i-di-m>hayranıydım, hayranı idik>hayranıydık
Zeki idi>zekiydi
Ali imiş>Ali’ymiş,
Hasta ise>hastaysa,
Nöbetçi iken>nöbetçiyken,
Merhametli imişler>merhametliymişler
Merhametliler imiş>merhametlilermiş

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