..Masoud Barzani’s upcoming visit for the weekend, has already achieved historic importance. Barzani will be travelling to Diyarbakir with Prime Minister Erdogan. Famous Kurdish singer Sivan Perwer will be in Diyarbakir on the same day after more than 30 years in exile. These developments add up to affirm the once and for all refutation of the secularist-nationalist claims imposed on the people for decades. It was precisely for this reason that nationalist reactions to this visit were raised without delay. Erdogan is once again accused of dividing the country.

The Kemalists, on the other hand, claim all that was achieved by the secular state has been forfeited.

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Source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-historic-day-for-kurdish-peace.aspx?pageID=449&nID=57932&NewsCatID=436

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I am really happy to see Sivan Perwer is coming home. 

I have not been able to locate any evidence that Sivan Perwer´s so called "exile" stems from any restrictions by Republic of Turkey.

The rumor is he spend years out of Turkia for fear of assasination by rival Kurdish fractions, for his ideas related to Kurds´ own responsibilities over 1915 Armenian deaths in SE Anatolia.

Believe or not, but check it out first!

I have not been able to locate any evidence that Sivan Perwer´s so called "exile" stems from any restrictions by Republic of Turkey.

The rumor is he spend years out of Turkia for fear of assasination by rival Kurdish fractions, for his ideas related to Kurds´ own responsibilities over 1915 Armenian deaths in SE Anatolia.

Believe or not, but check it out first!

Sivan Perwer to return to Turkey after 37 years!!

Famous Kurdish singer Sivan Perwer is set to return to Turkey after being in self-exile for 37 years due to political problems. ...

http://www.worldbulletin.net/?aType=haber&ArticleID=122731

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Day is a day for celebration!

this was the song sang by şivan perver as the president cried:

"Kaç bin yıldır kürdistan´ımız düşman esaretinde,
Koruduk biz doğuyu kan içici düşman Türk´lerden"

I think that is a quite distorded translation of  the lyrics of that song.

I have checked a few sources and the part of the song is :

(in Kurdish)

em in rojhilat,
tev birc û kelat.
tev bajar û gund,
tev zinar û lat.
ji destê dijmin:
dijminê xwînxwar,
xurt û koledar
ji rom, ji fireng,
di rojên pir teng,
bi kûştin û ceng.
parast, parast
parast min ev rojhilat
kîne em?
hey hey hey kîne em?

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Turkish version is :


biziz doğu..
her burçta ve hisarda.
her şehirde ve köyde.
her yamaçta ve kayalıkta
düşmanın elinden:
kan içici düşmanın,
güçlü ve köleci,
romların(türk) ve frenklerin,
çok dar günlerinde,
ölümlerinde ve savaşlarında.
koruduk, koruduk.
koruduk biz bu doğu’yu
kimiz biz?
hey hey hey hey kimiz biz?

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Even the word "Turk" is not mentioned in its original!!

Source: http://siirlerlesarkilarla.wordpress.com/2012/12/23/cigerxwin-kine-em-biz-kimiz-sivan-perwer/

I think I have mentioned several times that nationalism has to find enemies to survive and it will create false enemies when it is necessary.

..............ah Mr. H....so what is it you propose....a One World order? 

I am not sure what you mean but I can tell you one thing that all nationalist ideas ultimate goal is a totolitarian regime and if given a chance, they wont hesitate to create ´one world order´ under their nationalistic umbrella.

learn kurdish man. or turkish.

biziz doğu..
her burçta ve hisarda.
her şehirde ve köyde.
her yamaçta ve kayalıkta
düşmanın elinden:
kan içici düşmanın,
güçlü ve köleci,
romların(türk) ve frenklerin,
çok dar günlerinde,
ölümlerinde ve savaşlarında.
koruduk, koruduk.
koruduk biz bu doğu’yu

if you want to turn the poetic shape into written form: her yamaçta ve kayalıkta, kan içici köleci düşmanın, romların ve frenklerin elinden, çok dar günlerinde, ölümlerinde ve savaşlarında doğuyu koruduk ve kolladık.

in kurdish,

rom = Türk

thats why you cant see the word Turk in the song, just like a Fin would not see the word frank in there.

Varol, yazısının sonunda “Kendilerini bölgeden bölgeye farklı isimlendiren bu halkın hepsine birden Zaza adı verilmektedir” diyor. Oysa “Zaza” adını en çok Türkler bizim için kullanıyor. Peki, o zaman biz de tarih boyunca Türklere “Rom” demişiz. “Bextê romî çin o! Bextê romê tin e!” atasözümüzde bu adlandırma sabittir. Niye Türkler kalkıp adlarını değiştirmiyorlar da biz kalkıp onların kullandığı adı kendimiz için kullanıyoruz?

http://www.zazaki.net/haber/zazalar-nedir,-ne-degildir--1375.htm

https://eksisozluk.com/bazi-kurtlerin-turklere-rum-demesi--2217725

tarihsel bir olgudur.

kişilerin bilgi seviyesiyle zerre kadar da alakası yoktur. o yüzden çıkıp işkembeden atmamak lazımdır. kürtçe kültürel ürünleri -özellikle dengbej´lerin stran´larını- dinlemiş olanların kulağına mutlaka çarpılmıştır şöyle bir çift kelime:

"eskerê romî"

türk askerleri için kullanılan bu tabir, düz okunduğunda "rum askeri" manasına gelmektedir. pre-modern zamanlara ait bir kategorik sınır çizimidir. aslında "merkezden" yönetmeye çalışana dair muhalif bir tavır alma olarak da okunabilir. osmanlı veya türk askeri için, pre-modern zamanlardan kalma olan bu kurdi tabir, güncel olan bazı eserlerde de kullanılarak yeniden üretişmiştir. kanımca bu tabirin 20. yüzyıl boyunca kullanımının devam etmesinde osmanlı´nın sekülerleşerek cumhuriyet haline gelmesi, dinden tamamıyle uzaklaşması, kürtlerin bu algıyı sürdürmesine neden olmuştur. kürtlerin türk devletine ve türklere yönelik oluşturduğu kategorik ayrımlardan biri olarak; yani kürtlüğün veya daha geniş anlamıyla "başka bir şey olmanın" ifade edilmesi olarak düşünülebilir.

ayrıca, bu ayrımı destekleyen diğer bir olgu ise, kürtlerin şafi müslüman olmalarıdır. buna mukabil, medreseli kürtler, türklerin sahip oldukları din anlayışını hiyerarşik olarak kendi dini bütünlüklerinden daha altta tutarlar her daim. kürtler medreselerinin çok daha örgütlü bir şekilde olması, tarikat geçmişlerinin uzun olması, önemli alimler çıkarması gibi nedenlerden ötürü, "türkler" dini açıdan da yetersiz bir şekilde kodlanmışlardır. işte bu yarıktan bina edilen bir kürtlüğün ifadesidir, kürtlerin türklere rum demesi.

seriously man im tired of doing your google research for you in every single thread

more from the same ballad:

fakat; ne yapayım savaşsız?
düşman çıkmıyor dışarı.

bugün de düşmanlar bizden korkuyor.
barudun kokusu,
düştü burnuma.
dört bir yana istiyorum,
dibinden patlayayım.

tutmak istiyorum,
kürdistanımı…

sobar, nayrî ve mitanlar biziz!

bazısı da acı çektirenleri sıpası olmuş.

kürdistanı düşmanlara satmışlar onlar…
mezhepçi olmuşlar,
dinci olmuşlar.
gerici olmuşlar, tesbihli ve çubuklu.

dünyaya bir kez
bildirmeliyiz
marks’ın yolunu
lenin’in yolunu (president tolerates these communists but cant take redhack or other red groups?)

kan içici değiliz biz! barışseveriz biz!
büyük komutan ve yiğidiz her zaman! (self contradiction. good signs of peace etc though, as opposed to the previous violent calls)

kardeşlik diyoruz; fakat onlar kabul etmiyor.
tilki gibi olmuşlar

insanlık istemiyorlar.
saldırın ve tutun!
kemiklerini kırın
o pislik iğrençleri
içimizden çıkartın..
insanlar için biz tümden dost ve yâr!
yaşasın kürdistan, kahrolsun kölelik!
kimiz biz?

tell me romeo, you are so against racism, what does this ballad contain the elements of?

as a nationalist im not trying to fool you or fill you with false information. im trying to wake you up. being against pkk is not being racist. thats eu style benefactorial neutralism. selective equality. being against pkk is not being anti-kurdish. on the contrary, pkk killed most kurds in this country. being agains pkk is about protecting yourself. yes you dont live here, your friends dont die inside burning busses molotoved by these pigs, you dont hear the news of soldier families getting butchered in their homes. you just sit in your wherver and type "no racism no ((" being completely oblivious to the real world.

This guy is hypocrit. If he thinks it may be something from Türks then he jumps on it and starts repeating (spitting actually) the same stuff against them. But if it from somewhere else he tries to show their innocense instead. A default behaviour of his.

Man,

It´s utmost racist and this guy cannot accept it. What is racism by the way? Is there a different definition that we don´t know of but he does?

Sivan Perwer´in türküsünü anladım;bu adamın tek düşmanı Türkler olmalı.

Bizim Başbakan da ya Kürtçeyi bilmiyor, yada anlamadığı türküye ağlamamayı.

Yine de hoş geldin Sivan, düşman vatandaşlar bile memleketinde gerek.    

PS: No wonder Agop is happy !

Oh my, how you jump to the most outlandish interpretation. Nation, to World One World Order....? 

YAZISIZ !

..We have to admit that some of the scenes we witnessed would be unthinkable a decade ago.

.. was an investment made by Erdoğan for next year’s local elections and the general elections in 2015.


One cannot help thinking what would have happened if these taboos had been overcome 15 years ago. Had that happened many deaths and serious human rights violations would have been avoided. Seeing as oppression begets terrorism, a fact proved time and again sociologically and historically, the PKK would not have made such headway too.
 
..has managed to breakdown age-old taboos without a major reaction from the public, there is much that those who cling to these taboos, and cannot digest the scenes we witness in Diyarbakir, have to re-evaluate.

.. his “Kurdish, Turkish, Zaza and Arab brothers” and said “this republic is also yours. This state is yours also” and continued thus:

“From now on no one can look down on another person. No one can treat someone else as a second-class citizen. No culture and identity can be denied. There can be no discrimination, vilification, denial and assimilation in the new Turkey, and there will not be.”

These remarks deserve applause. But many are wondering if these promises will remain only in word, ..

This republic is of course all of ours. But when we say “all of ours” it is not sufficient to just refer to citizens of Kurdish, Turkish or Arab origin. The republic also belongs to those who think and believe differently, who do not want interference in their lifestyles, in other words those who had opposed discrimination, vilification and attempted to assimilate based on a religious understanding of morality.

The Kurdish problem may be Turkey’s bleeding wound, but we see on a daily bases that this is not the only issue that is disrupting social peace and stability in this country.
source:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/erdogan-should-not-forget-this.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58122&NewsCatID=416

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I agree with most of things the writer has written.

It is time for people to re-evaluate why they are still clinging the old taboos and unable to digest what they have seen in Diyarbakir. We have not seen deaths of people since breaking these taboos and talking about the peace. Yes, we could have avoided all those deads and human rights abuses if we were able to look at this issue from a different window rather than trying to make them Turks with stick.

fast change doesnt always mean "taken a lot of steps" brother. one can fastly drive down the hill too.

kurdish people have suffered most from this whole poitical mishmash. for every turkish person killed, 10 kurdish person has died. remember the paris murders. this recent political rundown will also result in their suffering anyway. imagine, even if kurdistan became real, what will it do? again the "east", again the elitism against the east, again the polarization, again the push-away, again the poverty, again the cultural non-acceptence. no, this is all about american oil politics nothing else. there are 80 different ethnic roots in turkey, around 70 of them being turkic. if we were to celebrate the "identitiy" of every single ethnic group in the world, this place would become hunting grounds.

The word “Kurdistan,”

An important detail, and a first, was that Erdogan used the word “Kurdistan,” in reference to the KRG. That is crucial, because many Turks, who are fearful of a would-be Kurdistan inside Turkey, cannot accept there is already a Kurdistan on the other side of the Iraqi border. 

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The presence of Sivan Perwer, a popular Kurdish singer who has been living in Europe for more than three decades due to the ban on his songs in his home country, Turkey, was also symbolically important. His songs are known to have inspired many Kurdish youngsters who joined the “guerrillas.”

His return to Turkey, and his support for peace, might encourage the same youngsters to leave arms.

...

All in all, the Diyarbakir meeting underlined the great transformation in Turkey relating to the Kurds: Ankara, which for decades saw all Kurds, in Turkey or abroad, as a problem, is now willing to see them as an asset.  

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source: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/a-turko-kurdish-axis.aspx?pageID=449&nID=58183&NewsCatID=411