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the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-)
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 06:09 pm |
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Quoting cyrano: My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway. |
Individualism is a western trait that is part of the culture of the country. We are not all so individualist nor do we all lack virtue. So like that then perhaps I am not so foreign
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 06:21 pm |
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Quoting cyrano: My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway. |
Cyrano, can you explain with examples what you mean by 'lack of vÃrtue'? I'm not English and my dictionary says 'lack of decency'. I'm not sure if I know what you mean.
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 06:27 pm |
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for me it's the same...i'm gonna visit Istambul with some turkish friend and i don't want to seem to have a "lack of decency"!it would be embarassing also for them!
By the way Trudy...Italians look at u wherever u come from,whithout any distinction!aren'they very open-minded? 
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 07:23 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting cyrano: My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway. |
Cyrano, can you explain with examples what you mean by 'lack of vÃrtue'? I'm not English and my dictionary says 'lack of decency'. I'm not sure if I know what you mean. |
I assume it to mean the holiday resort syndrome! Women in next to nothing, flirting with every available (or even unavailable) waiter, shop assistant or anyone who cares to glance there way. The ones that leave their morals at the airport and collect them on the way home! Then end up in the STD clinic a week or two later 
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 07:35 pm |
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STD?
but I got what u mean...I think it happens more or less in every very distant place where u go during hte summer, not just a problem of foreigners in Turkey...
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 08:02 pm |
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Disliking resorts, disliking beaches and walking on boulevards as if it were catwalks, I apparently do not have a lack of virtue because I will never walk not decently dressed in public. But I am very individualistic, I hate groups with a guide who tells when to look at the right side and when to the left. So, what makes me that? Half a foreigner?
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 09:17 pm |
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Quoting libralady: Quoting cyrano: My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway. |
Individualism is a western trait that is part of the culture of the country. We are not all so individualist nor do we all lack virtue. So like that then perhaps I am not so foreign |
I know that. For me individualism, which we Easrtern people generally lack, to some extent is necessary and all right. None-the-less individualism in today's western countries is akin to "selfishness". In this respect, I could say selfisness in place of individualism as well. Nothing would change in meaning.
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 09:23 pm |
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Quoting Trudy: Quoting cyrano: My first and foremost impression of foreigners is, they are too individualist and mostly lack of virtue. Those who aren't such are no longer foreigners(!) anyway. |
Cyrano, can you explain with examples what you mean by 'lack of vÃrtue'? I'm not English and my dictionary says 'lack of decency'. I'm not sure if I know what you mean. |
The dictionary on this site gives an good example under the item "virtue":
"Humility is the essence of virtue." (I wish especially the British could hear this!)
To work or to help the "other" is another example for "virtue".
By the way, in my opinion there is nothing lack or wrong in "lack of decency". This is totaly a matter of culture. And you seem to be less than half a foreigner.
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 10:00 pm |
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Quoting cyrano: "Humility is the essence of virtue." (I wish especially the British could hear this!) |
I see. It seems we both learn much about eachother today, dear friend  . I only wonder why you have not contributed to the other anti-British posts we have seen here recently? Ah well, you seem to have "found your voice" today .
Maybe I have said too much? My "lack of decency and virtue" seem to be guiding me! !
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 10:07 pm |
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@ aenigma..isn't it just?
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09 Oct 2006 Mon 10:12 pm |
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Quoting aenigma x: Quoting cyrano: "Humility is the essence of virtue." (I wish especially the British could hear this!) |
I see. It seems we both learn much about eachother today, dear friend . I only wonder why you have not contributed to the other anti-British posts we have seen here recently? Ah well, you seem to have "found your voice" today .
Maybe I have said too much? My "lack of decency and virtue" seem to be guiding me! ! |
I do suspect undoubtedly you are a British. I bet you can't be one of them, there must be an error in the records and in your ID card. No, no, no-you can't be a British. Otherwise, I ccouldn't have liked and appreciated you as much as I now do.
And why do you label me an "anti-british"? Why, and why again? I really am not. Believe me!
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