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the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-)
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04 Nov 2006 Sat 09:32 pm |
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Quoting KeithL: Quoting gezbelle: Quoting KeithL: This is another forum where I have a lot to say, but should probably keep my mouth more shut than open. I will ease into this conversation slowly by saying that the way foreign men take advantage of turkish girls here is embarassing. |
really keith?? |
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I'm a firm believer in "You're not being used unless you allow it" if they are grown women they should know right from wrong, yes?
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04 Nov 2006 Sat 09:38 pm |
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Quoting arabianofelix: hehe, every country had their best and worst...
and America is a great Example...
So what they have the best and worst of the worst.
True they have the worst guy on the planet sitting on the seat.... but it also has not one, but many of the best and most contributive people on the planet.
As for government, it might be that the worst of America is attached to the government, but truly the rest of the nation do their best to help keep America's reputation clean.
{also, there are brainwashed ones, they can be annoying, but good citizens know what to do-keep them busy with their diet}
Anywaaaaaaay,America has the ideal people, ruled by the worst there is.
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I agree, every country has their worst and best, and the good and bad. But I have to disagree if you are referring to George Bush as being the worst,(For christs sake look at the presidents of Korea and Venezuela) he's actually a good leader, he may not make the utmost best decisions, but he continues to do what he thinks is right, and doesn't let other people sway him. - He's strong, and he has a backbone, he stands up for himself and I have to admire that. A lot people from the democratic parties are the ones trying to make him out to be this evil person. I met him once when he gave a speech here in Georgia and he's incredibly down to earth and realistic. What I think looks SICK is the blatant hatred some of the americans display toward him, how could that possibly look to other countries - hating your own president that much? In that aspect some people must think we are a little off.
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 12:26 am |
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Well, if we want to start the "I hate Bush thread", I will be happy to jump on that too.
Holding the course when you are going in the wrong direction isn't admirable, its dangerous, arrogant and tragic.
Anyway, back to the main point, every expat I know here that start relationships with turkish women know its temporary. But that is never what they tell the girl until its too late. And I have found turkish women to be more loyal than any I have ever known. So this combination of loyalty on one side and dishonesty on the other leads to unnecessary heartbreak. (in my opionion)
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 02:20 am |
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I agree with Keith that it is very unwise to bring up Bush and start defending in this particular thread. As much as I wish I could keep my mouth shut on this one I'm sorry but.... no can do. I don't think that because a man is proud or believes in himself makes him a good leader and I'm sure that millions of the deads (American and otherwise, innocent civilians, children and etc.)family members would strongly disagree as well, it is not the democrats painting ugly pictures of him its simply the truth. I think friends we have found a good example of a 'brain washed' american here. Anywho... I am certain that most foriegners do have a horrible impression of Americans and my only defense is... 'I don't have one'... I can see exactly why they feel that way. I agree with TC though that there are TONS of great people here but they come in spurts and you can find us right here on sites like these being open minded and interested in other cultures. So libralady I hope if you ever make it here you can hook up with a few of us ... sorry for your bad experiance 
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 02:47 am |
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Quoting karekin04: I agree with Keith that it is very unwise to bring up Bush and start defending in this particular thread. As much as I wish I could keep my mouth shut on this one I'm sorry but.... no can do. I don't think that because a man is proud or believes in himself makes him a good leader and I'm sure that millions of the deads (American and otherwise, innocent civilians, children and etc.)family members would strongly disagree as well, it is not the democrats painting ugly pictures of him its simply the truth. I think friends we have found a good example of a 'brain washed' american here. Anywho... I am certain that most foriegners do have a horrible impression of Americans and my only defense is... 'I don't have one'... I can see exactly why they feel that way. I agree with TC though that there are TONS of great people here but they come in spurts and you can find us right here on sites like these being open minded and interested in other cultures. So libralady I hope if you ever make it here you can hook up with a few of us ... sorry for your bad experiance |
The best thing is to be honest with yourself and to look arround you not only under your foot,
Me too don't want to ruin a thread ,and i wouldn't dare to open a thread talk about this too,cause talking will never end,and saving us a headache too we don't need.
İ just want to point out one thing,and you think about it and tell me what you think.
We may agree or disagree about what USA actions.
İ'm saying we agree or disagree with Americans i mean,but most of the word agree on rejecting those actions.
İ don't want discuss that,my point is one thing.
We are adults,we manage somehow to differentiate between American people,and the American's actions.
We learnt to judge every person separately,and judge after hearing him.
But how about kids ?!
How do you expect them to understand this ?
How can you convince them that man who you see him in the news killing people is just opaying the orders,and there are many people who don't want to do this,and there are many good people there.
How do you think they feel about Americans ?
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 02:53 am |
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Quoting karekin04: I agree with Keith that it is very unwise to bring up Bush and start defending in this particular thread. As much as I wish I could keep my mouth shut on this one I'm sorry but.... no can do. I don't think that because a man is proud or believes in himself makes him a good leader and I'm sure that millions of the deads (American and otherwise, innocent civilians, children and etc.)family members would strongly disagree as well, it is not the democrats painting ugly pictures of him its simply the truth. I think friends we have found a good example of a 'brain washed' american here. Anywho... I am certain that most foriegners do have a horrible impression of Americans and my only defense is... 'I don't have one'... I can see exactly why they feel that way. I agree with TC though that there are TONS of great people here but they come in spurts and you can find us right here on sites like these being open minded and interested in other cultures. So libralady I hope if you ever make it here you can hook up with a few of us ... sorry for your bad experiance |
Brainwashed? How dare you call me brainwashed, I am personally offended, if you consider brainwashed an individual who researches every source and forms their own opinions about the world, and about their country then so be it. Are you talking about the soldiers? Because here in america you have a choice when it comes to the military, no one is drafted, no one is forced to fight, and American soldiers and proud and they want to serve their country. Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day. In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president. Personally, I don't think we should have interfered with that country in the first place, but he did what he thought was right, many died but many were also saved too from the insurgents. What more can he do? Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position? Are you one of the people who want him to pull out? If he pulled out of war now, then all of the killings that happened would have happened in vain without some sort of victory and I can almost say that I'm certain the destruction would make its way over to America.
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:00 am |
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exactly Canli... I totally agree, and thats what makes me sad. And that is why I said what I said.
And like you i know that it is a conversation that could go on forever so thats why I didnt say more.... plus I might get myself kicked out of my own country. Also I am glad to hear that you differentiate "Americans" from "American Government" because there is a difference. Again you are right, children are suffering and its just wrong. I guess I dont have much else to say
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:06 am |
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Quoting CANLI: Quoting karekin04: I agree with Keith that it is very unwise to bring up Bush and start defending in this particular thread. As much as I wish I could keep my mouth shut on this one I'm sorry but.... no can do. I don't think that because a man is proud or believes in himself makes him a good leader and I'm sure that millions of the deads (American and otherwise, innocent civilians, children and etc.)family members would strongly disagree as well, it is not the democrats painting ugly pictures of him its simply the truth. I think friends we have found a good example of a 'brain washed' american here. Anywho... I am certain that most foriegners do have a horrible impression of Americans and my only defense is... 'I don't have one'... I can see exactly why they feel that way. I agree with TC though that there are TONS of great people here but they come in spurts and you can find us right here on sites like these being open minded and interested in other cultures. So libralady I hope if you ever make it here you can hook up with a few of us ... sorry for your bad experiance |
The best thing is to be honest with yourself and to look arround you not only under your foot,
Me too don't want to ruin a thread ,and i wouldn't dare to open a thread talk about this too,cause talking will never end,and saving us a headache too we don't need.
İ just want to point out one thing,and you think about it and tell me what you think.
We may agree or disagree about what USA actions.
İ'm saying we agree or disagree with Americans i mean,but most of the word agree on rejecting those actions.
İ don't want discuss that,my point is one thing.
We are adults,we manage somehow to differentiate between American people,and the American's actions.
We learnt to judge every person separately,and judge after hearing him.
But how about kids ?!
How do you expect them to understand this ?
How can you convince them that man who you see him in the news killing people is just opaying the orders,and there are many people who don't want to do this,and there are many good people there.
How do you think they feel about Americans ? |
I really hope you're not implying that I'm being ignorant ... because I do look around, I do a lot of research, virtually my entire family has been in the military at one point, many of them are still serving to this day, I have two uncles in Baghdad, and I am in the military as well. (If I could, I would be in infantry but they don't allow women into it) I could never relate to the way a child might feel, because ever since I was very young I understood the war, I understood the duties being a solider sometimes entails because my grandfather served in them all and I could also see the sadness in war as well. I just can't relate to how a foreign child may see this, but I can imagine it must be saddening, frightening and strange/evil maybe.
and yes, trust me, I don't want to ruin a thread either, so I'm going to cease myself from discussing the bush topic. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions and point of views. I don't like to fight or argue either... especially on a usually peaceful site like this. and I'm sorry if I caused too much a disruption in this thread.
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:13 am |
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Quoting evabeshiri: Quoting karekin04: I agree with Keith that it is very unwise to bring up Bush and start defending in this particular thread. As much as I wish I could keep my mouth shut on this one I'm sorry but.... no can do. I don't think that because a man is proud or believes in himself makes him a good leader and I'm sure that millions of the deads (American and otherwise, innocent civilians, children and etc.)family members would strongly disagree as well, it is not the democrats painting ugly pictures of him its simply the truth. I think friends we have found a good example of a 'brain washed' american here. Anywho... I am certain that most foriegners do have a horrible impression of Americans and my only defense is... 'I don't have one'... I can see exactly why they feel that way. I agree with TC though that there are TONS of great people here but they come in spurts and you can find us right here on sites like these being open minded and interested in other cultures. So libralady I hope if you ever make it here you can hook up with a few of us ... sorry for your bad experiance |
Brainwashed? How dare you call me brainwashed, I am personally offended, if you consider brainwashed an individual who researches every source and forms their own opinions about the world, and about their country then so be it. Are you talking about the soldiers? Because here in america you have a choice when it comes to the military, no one is drafted, no one is forced to fight, and American soldiers and proud and they want to serve their country. Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day. In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president. Personally, I don't think we should have interfered with that country in the first place, but he did what he thought was right, many died but many were also saved too from the insurgents. What more can he do? Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position? Are you one of the people who want him to pull out? If he pulled out of war now, then all of the killings that happened would have happened in vain without some sort of victory and I can almost say that I'm certain the destruction would make its way over to America. |
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05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:13 am |
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I have tried to stay away from this 'Bush' conversation, but, unfortunately, an unable to...
Quoting evabeshiri: Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day. |
Does that make it RIGHT?
Quoting evabeshiri: In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president. |
They wanted revenge from the terrorists? Since when was it ever found that the terrorists came from Iraq? We were told this was about Iraq's "weapons of mass distruction"? It seems Bush was (again) wrong. There was NEVER a terrorist threat from Iraq, but BE SURE, there is now.
This 'war' (how can you EVER DARE compare this with WORLD WAR 2!!!) is purely about oil, money, and having a 'nice, compliant, western-friendly' man leading Iraq, instead of Saddam Hussain.
Quoting evabeshiri: Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position? |
He is very well paid and honoured to be in his position and as such should admit when he makes mistakes and make amends for them. He has highly qualified advisers to assist him. Are you seriously asking us to feel sorry for this idiot?
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