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the perception of foreigners by turkish people ;-)
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60.       aenigma x
0 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:13 am

I have tried to stay away from this 'Bush' conversation, but, unfortunately, an unable to...

Quoting evabeshiri:

Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day.



Does that make it RIGHT?


Quoting evabeshiri:

In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president.



They wanted revenge from the terrorists? Since when was it ever found that the terrorists came from Iraq? We were told this was about Iraq's "weapons of mass distruction"? It seems Bush was (again) wrong. There was NEVER a terrorist threat from Iraq, but BE SURE, there is now.

This 'war' (how can you EVER DARE compare this with WORLD WAR 2!!!) is purely about oil, money, and having a 'nice, compliant, western-friendly' man leading Iraq, instead of Saddam Hussain.

Quoting evabeshiri:

Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position?



He is very well paid and honoured to be in his position and as such should admit when he makes mistakes and make amends for them. He has highly qualified advisers to assist him. Are you seriously asking us to feel sorry for this idiot?

61.       evabeshiri
156 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:14 am

Quoting robyn :

im from england..not only do i not agree with bush's or blair's actions but i also think they should pull out of iraq now..i don't think that undervalues anything that our armies have done..at the end of the day people sign up to the army ion both america and the uk knowing they could be called up to fight..they wereent called up to knit tea cosies
anyway the supposed reason for the war was based on fiction not fact and too many lives have been lost over such a ridiculous idea..in fact everyone knows already the war was for oil..the only purpose this war is serving at present is to create hatred between muslims and non--
muslims which quite frankly is stupid.everyone is their own person no matter their background,colour,religious or sexual orientation.this is only fuelling the problem further by creating such a stupid divide.
its about time people sat up and smelt the roses i don't believe everything that i'm told by any media source because everyone is biased albeit one way or the other..
but i don't blame americans the same as i wouldn't expect to be blamed for our prime minister's actions..they were voted in a majority not totality vote


Robyn I agree with a lot of this too, (though I don't think the initial reason for the war was fiction, I researched sources that contradict what a lot of people say, but I respect your point of view) and personally I can say this.. I'm not a Müslim but I have absolutely nothing against Muslims as a religion, I think it all depends on the person. If non-Müslims are categorizing all Müslims as bad people/terroists, and if they develop a hatred for them, then they are just being ignorant individuals. and yeah... back to the first point someone made on this post, if we all look at people as individuals and not categorize them by the country they live in, or the religion they follow, (or background/color/sexual orientation like you said) I think the world would be a better place.

62.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:14 am

well done to aenigma and karekin..my sentiments exactly

63.       kai
0 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:17 am

Quoting evabeshiri:

I agree, every country has their worst and best, and the good and bad. But I have to disagree if you are referring to George Bush as being the worst,(For christs sake look at the presidents of Korea and Venezuela) he's actually a good leader, he may not make the utmost best decisions, but he continues to do what he thinks is right, and doesn't let other people sway him. - He's strong, and he has a backbone, he stands up for himself and I have to admire that.



HAHAHAHA sorry, but George Bush a good leader çok komik yaaa!! Lady, he has an IQ of 91 (the lowest a president of the USA has had in 50 years!) plus he stood still for a total of 20 minutes not doing anything after he heard about the first tower being hit on 9/11. I have heard of shock but that is just ridiculous! plus I don't know why he was shocked when he knew something was going to happen. and that ladies and gentlemen is only a little of why many Americans hate George W Bush - other reasons spotted by Robin . (some of other nationalities also hate him just as much).
Yeah I agree about some other presidents too!

P.S. did you know if you type in "worlds greatest failure" into Google it will give you George W Bush? lol

64.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:18 am

goodle?!?1?whats that kai canim?

65.       karekin04
565 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:18 am

Quoting aenigma x:

I have tried to stay away from this 'Bush' conversation, but, unfortunately, an unable to...

Quoting evabeshiri:

Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day.



Does that make it RIGHT?


Quoting evabeshiri:

In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president.


THANK YOU!! I was going to lose my mind trying to put that in a nice way? I'm so glad I had you to say what I really wanted too
They wanted revenge from the terrorists? Since when was it ever found that the terrorists came from Iraq? We were told this was about Iraq's "weapons of mass distruction"? It seems Bush was (again) wrong. There was NEVER a terrorist threat from Iraq, but BE SURE, there is now.

This 'war' (how can you EVER DARE compare this with WORLD WAR 2!!!) is purely about oil, money, and having a 'nice, compliant, western-friendly' man leading Iraq, instead of Saddam Hussain.

Quoting evabeshiri:

Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position?



He is very well paid and honoured to be in his position and as such should admit when he makes mistakes and make amends for them. He has highly qualified advisers to assist him. Are you seriously asking us to feel sorry for this idiot?

66.       kai
0 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:23 am

Quoting robyn :

goodle?!?1?whats that kai canim?



forgot to put your glasses on again Robin canım? it says google lol

67.       CANLI
5084 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:25 am

Ofcourse i'm not implying such a thing,but i just want to pointed out that,you not looking from other's point of view too.
İ didn't mean you as you,but many Americans.

İ had a friend,American friend he was an officer and he apply to go to the front,by his own choice as you said.
İ asked him why,he said to serve my own country.

İ only asked him one thing and he couldn't answer me,exchange positions,would you like it if you were in İraq position ?

Anyhow,i'm sorry if you felt offended,but sure i wasn't implying anything like that.

68.       robyn :D
2640 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:26 am

yes because u altered it my dear

as long as u acknowledge that eva then its fine with me..we shall agree to disagree on the situation

69.       aenigma x
0 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:26 am

Quoting evabeshiri:

He's actually a good leader, he may not make the utmost best decisions, but he continues to do what he thinks is right, and doesn't let other people sway him.



Can you not see the irony in what you have written? You are saying that the definition of a "good leader" is someone who makes bad decisions but continues to do them because he thinks they are right and will listen to nobody else!!!

So, presumably, you also think that Saddam Hussain, Robert Mugabe, Kim Jong, Hugo Chavez, Slobodan Milosevic and Adolf Hilter are/were good leaders? They fit the same criteria.

70.       kai
0 posts
 05 Nov 2006 Sun 03:27 am

Quoting aenigma x:

I have tried to stay away from this 'Bush' conversation, but, unfortunately, an unable to...

Quoting evabeshiri:

Having causalities is a part of war, what about Vietnam, WW II, Korea, hell death - its a part of life, innocent people die every day.



Does that make it RIGHT?


Quoting evabeshiri:

In the beginning the majority was for this war, they wanted revenge from the terrorists, the generals were all gun ho for it - they blinded themselves of the damage this would cause. Then it seems that as soon as it began, as soon as people started dying, everyone just turned their backs on the country and the president.



They wanted revenge from the terrorists? Since when was it ever found that the terrorists came from Iraq? We were told this was about Iraq's "weapons of mass distruction"? It seems Bush was (again) wrong. There was NEVER a terrorist threat from Iraq, but BE SURE, there is now.

This 'war' (how can you EVER DARE compare this with WORLD WAR 2!!!) is purely about oil, money, and having a 'nice, compliant, western-friendly' man leading Iraq, instead of Saddam Hussain.

Quoting evabeshiri:

Do you know how much pressure and stress he has in his position?



He is very well paid and honoured to be in his position and as such should admit when he makes mistakes and make amends for them. He has highly qualified advisers to assist him. Are you seriously asking us to feel sorry for this idiot?



DAMN WELL said Aenigma! if I don't say so myself *round of applause*

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