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Nobel price to Orhan Pamuk!!!
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20.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 05:34 am

Quoting erdinc:



When I had read one of his books for the first time I was 19. It was back in early 90's. I was a junior at the university and I finished the book the same night I started. Without a sleep, the following morning I went to a bookshop to buy another one of his books. I was too excited. There were people who didn't like his style. They said he was a postmodernist but I loved read him.



Dear Erdinc,

how nice you said it, you finished one of his books in one night... as we all know that they didnt give this prize for his books only.. no surprise france has started to bark about so called genocide...

but wouldnt it be nice to see this... as a Turk won the nobel prize? living his personality and what he had done recently?

21.       erdinc
2151 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 06:30 am

The critical question is whether or not he would win the price if he hadn't been lying and supporting the political campain against Turkia. We both know the answer. This incident is just another example of the double facedness of European politics on Turkia.

22.       aslan2
507 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 08:00 am

Quoting erdinc:

The critical question is whether or not he would win the price if he hadn't been lying and supporting the political campain against Turkia. We both know the answer. This incident is just another example of the double facedness of European politics on Turkia.


Absolutely. He sold his soul to ... ermm... never mind. And this is what he gets in return. I didn't read any of his books and I don't think I will either.

23.       aslan2
507 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 08:55 am

Quoting teaschip:

Quoting Isthar:


Who did get Nobel Prize ?? Orhan Pamuk or allegations as to the ‘Armenian Genocide’ ?? Who did it win..?? I think you forgot that Orhan Pamuk said that: "Turkey killed one million Armenians and 30.000 Kurds.." Thats why,It is so interesting that France made law about on "lies of Armenian Genodice" at same day..

The falsification of ‘Armenian Genocide’ was fabricated under the conditions of the First World War, by Britain, France and the Tsarist Russia as a tool of psychological war, with the purpose of partitioning Turkey. The instigator of these tragedies are the imperialist powers who wanted to partition Turkey and share it among them. Now, the same powers are on the job..Including Orhan Pamuk..






Armenian Genocide didn't happen, hmmm? Maybe Orphan could also verify 9/11 for us.


Genocide is not a good word. We don't like it. This issue has become a very useful tool to attack us Turks. Some Ottoman officers decided to deport Armenians and they were killed during their journey. Partly by wheather and partly by Kurdish gangs. If it was a genocide it was done by Kurds. Armenians took revenge by killing the head officer who took the deportation decision.

Do you consider the atomic bombs dropped onto Hiroshima and Nagazaki a GENOCIDE by the way? You took that decion knowing that many people would be killed as a result. We took that decision to stop the killing between Armenian and the others (mostly Kurds).

And OP now has received his reward by saying those lies. $1.4 million and boasted book sales in western countries.
What a success???

24.       Aslan
1070 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 09:00 am

...you are all free to think whatever you want about the reasons for Orhan Pamuk recieving the nobel prize in literature...but to me some of you seem blinded to the importance of this prize and further more...that the swedish academy could not care less about what he said or did not say about a possible genocide during the first world war. I think you are overreacting...a possible genocide during the first world war is not what concerns the world in general today...and besides that...if you knew anything about the swedish academy you would also be aware of the lack of political correctness that follows the nobel prize in literature. Check out the authors that has won for the past 15 years...and compare it to more political correct alternatives that would have been possible...also in the light of those respected authors who died during those 15 years and in that way were inhibited to ever recieve the prize since it is only possible to be awarded being alive. There has been so much critics towards the swedish academy for that reason.

Erdinc, why can´t you seperate the literal qualities that you obviously enjoyed so much in the 90s from your disgust by his statements that you can´t agree with?

I agree with Sui Generis...this is a turk winning the nobel prize in literature and not any turk...but one who is also seeing as his mission to show the world the complexity that exists in Turkey. I am happy he won the prize and I can only see good coming from it!

25.       catwoman
8933 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 09:06 am

Quoting erdinc:

Orhan Pamuk had a chance to be one of those rare people. Unfortunately he wasn't man enough to deal with this reality. Now he is a piece of nothingness with a nobel price. I don't thing it was worth the price for what he has lost.



there is too much hatred/anger and lack of objectivity in your attitude to take it seriously. somehow the rest of the world isn't so sure about the armenian genocide as turkey is. sounds weird, doesn't it? as far as I remember, pamuk said "one milion armenians and 30,000 kurds were killed and nobody dares to talk about it" - sounds very reasonable. AND what your government tells you is half lies and modified history to the advantage and glory of the turks - claiming to be as critical a thinker as you do, I don't understand how come you are so naive about this. and by the way, who are YOU to judge that another person is NOTHINGNESS??? he's not nothingness to the nobel prize committe and the rest of the world. turks are very ungrateful and self-conceited - especially that this is the first nobel prize for a turk in history if I'm not wrong... ridiculous.
anyways, you'll be furious about my post, but I'm not going to argue with you, just wanted to express my opinion.

26.       Trudy
7887 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 09:35 am

I do not understand why it is so difficult to admit that (your) ancesters did horrible things, nobody is judging you (being a Turk) personally about their acts. And being Dutch I very well know what it means, my ancesters were not so nice in slavery and colonialism. However, nobody ever said to me that because of that I as a person (being Dutch) am not good. It is not my government who did that (then Holland was a republic) like it isn't the nowadays Turkish republic who did that because it was during the Ottoman time. Really, I do not understand why it is so hard to look at dark pages of your history.

Second, I wonder very very much why the literacy qualities of Pamuk - whether you like them or not - have to be judged by political statements. Do you (anyone) know the members of the Nobel Prize Committee, do you know, have evidence of them being not honest? I don't think so, the remarks made about Pamuks's political view and then 'I will never read anything of him' do not only sound jealous to my ears but also a bit less mature, as if you always have to agree with the writers idea's to read a book.

27.       robin01
0 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 10:06 am

i think that certain people in this thread are trying to deny events that actually happened in turkey....unfortunately however all countries to try to deny their negative history and hit it from their countrymen..thats why it is so important to read and listen to news outside of your countries as well..and don't get me wrong no news ever tells the true story..if anyone believes that it does i'd be very worried the media are there to attract attention and their bias should always be taken into account when considering news..for example these so-called 'weapons of mass destruction' in iraq come on we all know what the war is about OIL but the English news will say otherwise..i just have my own brain to realise otherwise ..anyways this post was just so i could make a point that maybe both sides of this argument are overexaggerating just a little because when things are reported inside or outside of a country the media are always trying to portray a specific view..and thats exactly what they will try to do i just thought of another example..these continual searches of muslim's houses in Britain..with negative results i personally wonder what our government is doing right now that they want to hide so much

28.       ramayan
2633 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 11:27 am

its so silly..even nobel is politic nowadays...its not fair ....ehh it was obvious....

what he has given to his country?and to turkish literature? ouh god its stupid...

29.       Aslan
1070 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 11:32 am

...eh, ramayan...could you be more specific?

I am convinced that Turkey eventually will find that Orhan Pamuk and his writing actually in a positive manner contribute to building bridges between the readers of his books and your country. I already know that the books I read by him had this effect on me...

And now Turkey will have a great opportunity to show the rich culture, that Orhan Pamuk also takes part in, to the rest of the world!

30.       SuiGeneris
3922 posts
 13 Oct 2006 Fri 11:29 pm

another good thing about this prize is that;
foreign readers will see that a turkish author won it...
first of all they will buy and read all his books... and they will wonder and discover more about Turkish literature... about Yasar Kemal, Yahya Kemal Beyatlı, Halit Ziya etc...

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